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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Aurornis wrote: post #403
subscribed wrote: post #172

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Same. I'm not a dev but I use CC a few times in a week and it's been a great help. However, my company paid for my annual subscription, so maybe I'll ask our lawyers for advice - the only reason they paid for this was my access to CC and with my use the next tier wouldn't make sense, AND no one will expect Anthropic to not nerf it too.

Before you have lawyers look at it, wait until you’re actually impacted. Nothing has been removed from existing subscriptions yet and their employees Tweeted that existing subscriptions aren’t impacted.

Thank for the insightful comment and indeed I wouldn't without the evidence form myself and other people on the same subscription (all non-devs so we use it rarely but it feels like a superpower).

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by throwaw12 »

YmiYugy wrote: post #545
throwaw12 wrote: post #543

We, as a society, need Open Source SOTA models and should be able to also train new models via distributed P2P network. Otherwise companies will keep exploiting using their dominant position. We were taught dictators are bad, monopolies are bad, but now allowing 2 companies control most of the software development

That seems not possible.

at the moment - yes.

but why not work towards it?

* elect politicians who will support this

* change laws to accommodate it - if corporations train data, on every usage they should pay higher taxes so they can't exploit the open data, but public ledger trained model is fine to use open data

* similar tech exists (bitcoin, torrent), needs some modifications

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by deaux »

HWR_14 wrote: post #467
deaux wrote: post #454

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The whole Silicon Valley VC industry and the majority of the net worth of SWEs on HN is based on dumping. "Burning VC cash" is transparently dumping, and it's squarely what the US big tech dominance is founded on. Amazon, Uber, Youtube, now LLMs. The huge majority of "success stories" of the last 15 years are based on dumping their product far below cost price, running at a loss for years until they dominate the mark…

I didn't think Amazon engaged in dumping.

It took about 9 years of losses before they got profitable, which is the exact mechanism I talked about.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #486
port11 wrote: post #473

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I know of a very serious business that deployed Max to all of their developers. API pricing, from what I see, can become more expensive than just hiring another dev.

Well yes it is expensive, but companies are paying for that. It is far more expensive than the Max and it does go up to or more in some cases compared to the employee salary. Larger companies are using Claude through AWS Bedrock and are willing to easily pay $5k+ per engineer per month for it.

The thinking appears to be that a model that can do the work of a developer must be worth a significant share of a developer salary. I think this idea is flawed.

Developer salaries are driven up by scarcity - scarcity of developer skills overall and scarcity of developer skills in specific places like California. If AI models destroy the scarcity then the price worth paying for a coding agent will drop dramatically.

Maybe Anthropic can get away with it for a couple of months. But this will not last.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by whizzter »

ehnto wrote: post #549
port11 wrote: post #473

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I know of a very serious business that deployed Max to all of their developers. API pricing, from what I see, can become more expensive than just hiring another dev.

We're also not seeing much difference in real throughput at an agency. Everyone is getting decent results, output wise but it just doesn't seem to change the outcomes that much. There is also a mixed incentive at an agency, because a reduction in hours spent is a reduction in revenue. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out, but I suspect if cost continues to increase and output only improves incrementally…

API usage is on-demand, employees are a constant cost, guess what management loves most.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by duskdozer »

m3kw9 wrote: post #458
isodev wrote: post #449

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I don’t get the surprise or discontent. People hooking themselves up to a paid SaaS that only two vendors can offer (Anthropic and OpenAI), no competition or regulation to speak of… of course they’ll do whatever they want with their plans. Hope you can still resume working on your projects without AI.

Losing trust on them not rug pulling users

If anyone was paying any attention to how corporations run, I don't see how they could have believed this would go any differently. Seriously.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by meta_gunslinger »

stingraycharles wrote: post #530
rzk wrote: post #515

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> If the subscriptions are unprofitable, then just communicate honestly, raise the price or lower limits for new subscribers transparently, and grandfather in existing users. This. Why do so many companies fail to get this? Anthropic's user base, in particular, is intelligent enough to understand their constraints.

I mean, if you look at the Claude subreddits, the general consensus is that Anthropic and OpenAI are money hungry corporate devils that are here to enslave all of us, and everyone should get unlimited everything on Max x20. I think you may be overestimating the willingness of people to understand Anthropic’s concerns.

Reddit is a very small subsection of the Internet consisting mainly of basement-dweller radical leftist they/thems. We should not be taking them as a representative sample of the average Anthropic user.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by cebert »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #441
Esophagus4 wrote: post #412

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A few enterprise customers I know are upgrading to the higher plan now that their limits have been nuked. I imagine Anthropic is trying to see how many users they can push to higher tiers with these new squeezes. I hate to say it but I imagine it will work. It’s going to suck for me, because I had gotten used to ridiculously cheap tokens, but I guess the era of subsidized tokens is over.

Most real businesses are on API billing, not Max.

My company currently uses the Anthropic Enterprise subscription plan, but we’ve been informed that’s going away in 2027 in favor of API billing. If businesses are using subscriptions, I don’t think they will for long.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by nerptastic »

rock_artist wrote: post #455

The age of AI seems to forget some lessons from Google (and history in general). - Rapid changes hurts the trust of your brand and product. In Google case, using a new service product became something you’ll think multiple times as you are more likely to axe it than rivals or specialized equivalents. - While models currently has no clear winner. Anthropic’s core product is coding. But just as Skype, IE, Netscape thei…

“The limits now are so bad that a business that relies on it would need bigger plans.”

Isn’t this the goal to some extent? They’ll probably have the standard “light” usage plan for weekend warriors or normal folk looking to play around. Companies that mandate usage and provide the subscription for hundreds of employees will have to cough it up, and will have no problem doing so if they want to compete with the others (or so the hype would allude to).

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