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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by jjkaczor »

kakacik wrote: post #302
exceptione wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool. Windows can't do 99% of the things I and anyone not grasping at straws can do with Linux. It is getting tiring, I don't say Linux is perfect, but KDE has been better than Windows for years, Linux doesn't bit rot like an average Windows install and Linux is in practice surprisingly more stable, but no-no-no, Linux can't be this time again. Quick... ehm "there is a piece of software that only works on Windows". H…

No need for such childish reaction, dismissing other's viewpoints achieves nothing for your side of arguments, at least nothing good and one of the reasons some skilled folks won't migrate, we have enough toxic communities elsewhere. Also quite a few inaccuracies - what the heck is 'bit rot' on windows? I had 1 same Windows 10 install running on desktop for 8 years as primary personal PC and installed tons of softwar…

Historically I wouldn't refer to it as "bit rot", but generally "registry bloat" with a combination older, no longer used .DLL's hanging around, rather than being removed on software uninstallation or upgrade.

In the past a good "registry cleaner" would help - but those are no longer reliable with newer versions of Windows - there are many virtual entries that get cleaned-up by overly aggressive utilities.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by p_ing »

pier25 wrote: post #459

Microsoft should be scared about the Macbook Neo. They're going to lose a good chunk of the market because of it.

Apple isn't capable of manufacturing the amount of volume necessary to displace x86/Windows.

Apple shipped 25.6 million Macs in 2025. Lenovo shipped 19.3 million PCs in the 4th quarter alone.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by SlinkyOnStairs »

HexPhantom wrote: post #208
ccppurcell wrote: post #152

I believe they are abusing their customers but I think it's in poor taste to compare this to domestic violence.

The underlying point about power imbalance and gradual normalization of bad behavior is fair, but that analogy carries a lot of real-world weight that doesn't map cleanly to software decisions

> but that analogy carries a lot of real-world weight that doesn't map cleanly to software decisions

Twitter literally runs CSAM-as-a-service.

While Microsoft is not quite that evil, building the North Korean computer surveillance system with "Recall" comes pretty close. Other examples include things like Facebook's regular doxxing of it's users with their real name policy.

It's a crass comparison, but not unreasonable on both sides. Abuse goes beyond just physical violence, and the practices of these tech companies really do match those other kinds of abuse. The other half is that software has eaten the world, and these changes really do affect people's lives.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by PoignardAzur »

ccppurcell wrote: post #152

I believe they are abusing their customers but I think it's in poor taste to compare this to domestic violence.

I strongly disagree, and not because of the "Microsoft is associated with bad things and that's a form of violence" points other people mentioned.

The end result of treating domestic and sexual abuse like Serious Important Subjects that people should only talk about in a Serious Respectful Tone isn't that people become more mindful of abuse dynamics, it's that they avoid bringing up the subject at all.

In practice, yes, abusive practices of corporations echo abusive practices of violent partners, and the parallel is worth highlighting. Bringing up the fact that both of them will use grand gestures to stop you from questioning their pattern of behavior isn't disrespectful, it's useful information.

If anything, abuse victims should hear that message more often.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by adiabatichottub »

rmah wrote: post #500
nicoburns wrote: post #380

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> I think the only way this gets better for consumers is if customer response more often insisted further roll backs than just the last straw if a company crosses the line. I think consumers have little power here. Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behaviour. Until we change that, the power will always be with these kind of companies. Perhaps governments could levy punative fines in such situat…

"Our economic system fundamentally chooses to reward such behavior". This is true, but what people seem to fail to grasp is that rewarding such behavior == buying the product. If people simply didn't buy it, they wouldn't do it. It's really that simple. It may be hard to not buy, of course. The alternatives may be worse, there may be downsides to not buying, etc. But nothing else will really be effective.

If people stopped buying cigarettes there would be no tobacco industry. But the true cost of smoking is not something that the smoker realizes until it's already too late. That's why we had to have huge public health campaigns to deter people from smoking, because the long-term effects aren't obvious when you're just stopping in at the corner store. We all live in our own little bubbles and it's often difficult to see how our actions, individual and collective, shape the world around us.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by htx80nerd »

Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

>"It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate."

developer delusion. devs who barely use their own apps. who dont understand the day-to-day user experience.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

philistine wrote: post #509
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #257

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because phones are not general computing devices, and really shouldn't be. They are too important to modern society to be unlocked for their full potential. That said, I doubt the average person on a laptop even needs a general computing device, so your point does make sense. Though, is carrying around a screen and a keyboard and cable any better than carrying a laptop? I could see an argument of it being cheaper, bu…

People want a full-size keyboard. Adding a couple of millimetres underneath that keyboard allows you to put a whole computer in there. We have laptops because it makes sense. Look at Apple's Macbook Neo. The tiny logic board on that computer is the least of Apple's worries. The most expensive components are the display and case. Why not charge 100 bucks more and not have to worry about this thing being a phone access…

Yeah, that's basically my point.

The only way it would make sense to use your phone is if the keyboard and monitor can fold up so small that they can attach to the phone and still fit in your pocket. Otherwise, just using a laptop is going to be better every time.

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Post by m463 »

Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

The answer to all of this has traditionally been robust competition.

A framework of just and fair laws and regulations should support this, backed up by open enforcement.

but, yeah.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by htx80nerd »

neves wrote: post #299

For me the worst is Microsoft Start news. I've already turned it off multiple times and it always come back. To add insult to injury, it always displays terrible gossip, sports or far right news. If any developer that works in MS news service is reading this message, please know that I hate you.

do you really expect us to believe ms is pushing 'far right news'?

perhaps youre just so far left that anything slightly in the center feels 'far right'?

when bing / edge recommends me stories it's never ever 'far right'. it's almost always something pro-left or that makes the (R) look negative.

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