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Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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As a point of information: Astral did not, in fact, burn through its VC money. I agree that dev tools are difficult to monetize, though. (Source: I'm an Astral employee.)

> As a point of order: Astral did not, in fact, burn through its VC money. That's a point of information, not a point of order.

Is pointing out the incorrect use of a point of order itself a point of order, or also a point of information?

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Wow - this is potentially the most cynical hacker news thread I've ever read. When did this place trade it's curiosity and excitement about technology for constant doomerism? Congrats Astral and co!

I think it was always that way. When an org gets big and its leaders become powerful, then there's always a good portion of snark and mistrust from this community.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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From my understanding there are a lot of companies that need their own package repositories, for a variety of reasons. I listened to a couple podcasts where Charlie Marsh outlined their plans for pyx, and why they felt their entry into that market would be profitable. My guess is that OpenAI just dangled way more money in their faces than what they were likely to get from pyx. Having a private package index gives you…

We have some kind of simple pip repo that is private where I work. What would astral bring to the table?

How many people use that simple pip repo daily? If the number is not in the high hundreds, or a few thousands; maybe nothing. But once you get up there, any kind of better coordination layer is useful enough to pay money to a third party for, unless maintaining a layer over pip is your core competency.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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> If you don't want your lunch eaten by a private equity firm, make sure whatever tool you use is GPL licensed. 1. For the record: the GPL is entirely dependent on copyright. 2. If AI "clean-room" re-implementations are allow to bypass copyright/licenses, the GPL won't protect you.

If clean-room re-implementations are allowed to bypass copyright/licenses (software) copyright is dead in general?

well no, (clean room )reimplementations of APIs have done since time immemorial. copyright applies to the work itself. if you implement the functionality of X, software copyright protects both!

patents protect ideas, copyright protects artistic expressions of ideas

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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A concern: More and more plainly, OpenAI and Anthropic are making plays to own (and lease) the "means of production" in software. OK - I'm a pretty happy renter right now. As they gobble up previously open software stacks, how viable is it that these stacks remain open? It seems perfectly sensible to me that these providers and their users alike have an interest in further centralizing the dev lifecycle - eg, if Clau…

Stop using MIT licensed software being run by small vc backed operations if you value stability. They are risky and often costly Trojan horses.

What do you mean? MIT is essentially as open as you can get. The worst that can happen is that they will relicense, eventually, to force big users to pay, but when that happens everybody knows how it goes: some consortium of other big companies forks it and continues development as if nothing happened.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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I'd expect OpenAi to make some type of Github clone next, perhaps with Astral, or maybe with jujutsu.

Why? Github is already owned by Microsoft, who are deep in with OpenAI. And what worth would a Github-clone even have for the world? It's not like there is any important innovation left in that space at the moment, or are there any?

Better uptime? https://www.reuters.com/business/openai-is-developing-altern...

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Congrats to the Astral team, they've done great work and deserve everything. As a user of uv who was hoping it would be a long term stable predictable uninteresting part of my toolchain this sucks, right?

As the owner they dictate their priorities, whether around features or tighter integration with their ecosystem.

Yes I agree. And I think that joining OpenAI will probably change their priorities, and that sucks.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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pixi? https://pixi.prefix.dev/latest/ Have not tried it too much yet because I was pretty content with `uv`, but I've heard lots of good things about it

Pretty sure that uses UV to do it's magic

pixi offloads PyPI ecosystem stuff to uv, but pixi is conda first. The team were actually the first to build a Rust based Python package resolver (rip), but after uv was released they migrated to uv's resolver (Python package resolvers are hard and a lot of work to build and must be tested against the whole ecosystem).

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Wow - this is potentially the most cynical hacker news thread I've ever read. When did this place trade it's curiosity and excitement about technology for constant doomerism? Congrats Astral and co!

Open source tools are being snapped up by a company famous for reneging on its non-profit mission as soon as they sniffed some profit. Wow gee, imagine the cynicism.
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