Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the same time, there must be a point where general humanity overrides community guidelines.
Why does Gaza get 10x the coverage on HN and other social media well, when what has been happening in Sudan in the same time period is 10x worse? (The 10x coverage number is from algolia hn search, the 10x worse number is from reported killings in the past year)
Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car
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#552Sad story. War is sad. 2 countries in a war that cannot end otherwise. Its either Palestine or Israel unfortunately. Put your good will and emotions somewhere it can actually make a sensible difference guys
The West Bank is not part of the war (if you can even call the Gaza war a war, it's an extermination campaign, but still, people do call that a war). This is just a regular tuesday massacre for the IDF, not an ongoing conflict, just occupation policing.
Israel, West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon - all contain a majority/big minority of Palestinians - yet only Israel and Jordan effectively impose law and sovereignty over them.
PA cannot deal with their own radicals. I mean, they actually hand out prizes to shaheed's families. They loves this guerilla war equation. Its good for the Palestinian cause apparently cause they keep doing it for years now.
But somehow no momentum is gained by the Palestinian movement, and nobody dares to suggest its because their head is stuck we-know-where. And this applies to West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon.
Somehow most Israeli Arabs AKA Israeli Palestinians do not have a radical/resentful sentiment towards the Zionist idea. Some even serve in army, or do national service. Some have houses I can dream of. But yeah right, lets blame the Jews.
This picture you paint with big words, holds no grasp in the Middle East reality. Its a Eurocentric perspective, mostly held by people in countries which fight their wars via proxies. Its non pragmatic for Palestinians, and only serves Europeans. As evidence you can see how far the Palestinian cause has progressed in last decades.
But in the early 21st century Europe is currently in the back seat, sits, learns and questions: How does Israeli economy is thriving even though they have so many active conflicts? And I'll answer what you do not even dare to think of: only a righteous cause can fight such war and have the upper hand.
Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car
#553Earlier quoted context omitted.
The West Bank is not part of the war (if you can even call the Gaza war a war, it's an extermination campaign, but still, people do call that a war). This is just a regular tuesday massacre for the IDF, not an ongoing conflict, just occupation policing.
Did you serve in Army? Do you know war from first account? Did your country take part in a war in the last decade? Or is it proxies who fight your wars? Its independence war for Israel everyday since its 1948. Israel, West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon - all contain a majority/big minority of Palestinians - yet only Israel and Jordan effectively impose law and sovereignty over them. PA cannot deal with their own radicals. I…
It is not an independence war, it is colonialization and occupation. And the Zionists at the time knew that and used this terminology themselves. 1948 was not an independence war, it was the preliminary culmination of the attempt to occupy and annex Palestine into a Jewish state against the resistance of the Palestinians. And the residence against this illegal act has continued to this day.
Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car
#554This kid will grow up and fight, and I don't blame him. Gaza is a concentration camp, West Bank is an apartheid. These people have the audacity to bribe and threaten our governments to do their nationalist ethno-state bidding in one hand while pushing the narrative that the west must not have any identity or borders in the other. They fund PACs that threaten 80% of congress with "we'll front an opposition candidate a…
Wtf is this Jew hate and why is it on HN?
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Nuking Gaza is an abhorrent position but I don't think there will be any reform out there until there is a decisive win and if I have to pick a side it's not the Palestinians. If the Palestinians win it'll embolden other states or factions to have another go at the six-day war again and possibly prop up break-away action against other factions' host countries. There needs to be a complete and utter defeat that result…
Presently, some pro-war Israelis are beginning to wonder if the costs from these wars will be worth the guarantees it won't bring:
But the simplest is to examine what the goals of the war were, and whether they were achieved. In the first week, in October 2023, the cabinet defined the goals of the war as follows: destroying the military and governmental infrastructure of Hamas and Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip; returning the hostages, both alive and dead; removing the threat of terrorism from the Gaza Strip and preventing its return; and creating conditions for long-term security.
Later, a guarantee of the safe return of residents of the south and north to their homes was also added. The return of the kidnapped can be marked with "half a V" — the kidnapped were indeed returned, after going through hellish torment for weeks, months, and years until their return, and after some of them were murdered in captivity.
But what about the other goals of the war? Even "half a V" will not fit. It is too early to talk about the last goal, creating conditions for long-term security, but it is already easy to see that Hamas has not been destroyed, neither as a military organization nor as a civilian infrastructure, and the threat of terrorism from the Gaza Strip has not been removed.
In recent weeks, reports have been coming in that rockets are being produced there again and tunnels are being dug. And some residents of the north have indeed returned to their homes — certainly not all of them — but in no way can this be called a safe return. Certainly not now. Hezbollah has not been overthrown either, far from it. And the north, the encirclement and the fallout zones from the previous war with Iran are still far from being restored, and from security. Does anyone feel safe now?
And what is the real situation on the Iranian front? Have we achieved the goals of the wars there? The government has never published defined war goals, neither in the previous round nor in the current one. Judging by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's victory speech after the last time we eliminated the Iranians, in June, the goals were to eliminate the nuclear threat and the ballistic missile threat — for generations.
The very existence of the second Iran war in less than a year is evidence of a thousand witnesses that these goals were not achieved. If overthrowing the regime was an official goal, it has not been achieved so far either.
In other words, hundreds of billions, and hundreds of billions more on the way, did not buy the security we tried to achieve with them.
The general numbness in which we are currently immersed — for perfectly understandable reasons — is dangerous in all sorts of ways, and it is also dangerous when it comes to the cost of war. The numbers are so large that it is difficult to grasp them, so we don't try. They pass us by. We have no way of grasping 352 billion, and another 350 billion, so come on, another 100-50 here or there, what does it matter? What does it matter at all, and what does it matter to us in our daily lives. Just let us sleep.
https://www.calcalist.co.il/magazine/article/8a0gc68cl / https://archive.vn/MtADW