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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by Animats »

thinkcontext wrote: post #408
Animats wrote: post #206

“Orbital space centres and mass drivers on the Moon will be incredible.” - Musk Right. The product is the stock. TSLA: [1] Up by 3x in the last two years, despite no new models, the Cybertruck failure, the Robotaxi failure, the large truck failure, and an overall decline in sales. How does he do it? It's a concern seeing Space-X, which builds good rockets, drawn into the X and AI money drains. Space-X is needed. If X…

If I was a SpaceX investor I'd be considering litigation. Saying the core product has to be rebuilt right after it gets bought by SpaceX?! Maybe the SpaceX investors would have liked some diligence about that before purchase but looks like someone had a conflict of interest about that.

Space-X and x/AI are both privately held.

But this may mess up the proposed IPO.[1]

By completing the SpaceX–xAI deal while both companies remain privately held, and now closed, Musk can effectively set relative valuations, negotiate terms within a founder‑controlled ecosystem, close, and then inform investors, without the procedural drag and disclosure obligations that attend a public‑company merger. That flexibility can reduce near‑term execution friction. It does not, however, eliminate fiduciary exposure; rather, it may defer scrutiny to the IPO phase, when investors and regulators will examine how and why the combination occurred, how it was priced, and how related‑party dynamics were managed.

[1] https://www.dandodiary.com/2026/03/articles/director-and-off...

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by baublet »

beeflet wrote: post #523
hananova wrote: post #467

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Well yes, but so is reality. And Wikipedia as an encyclopedia is supposed to document reality. So what's the problem?

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Are you suggesting that academia and all of the other actual places people who learn and know stuff for a living being full of leftists is some conspiracy against you and the right wing?

Touch grass, my dude. These are the thoughts of someone who spends too much time on X.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by charcircuit »

epgui wrote: post #502
charcircuit wrote: post #165

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Wikipedia does not care about scientific consensus. It just summarizes "reliable" secondary sources.

Wrong in two different ways: - this tends to approximate consensus. - Wikipedia does care, and has a policy on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Scientific_consensus

>and has a policy on this

Look at the top of that page.

>This is an essay. It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article or a Wikipedia policy, as it has not been reviewed by the community.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by AlotOfReading »

Auracle wrote: post #515
AlotOfReading wrote: post #143

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It seems like the root of your statement is with the existence of "race" as a purely biological classification. Wikipedia correctly notes the consensus position that race is a social construct [0] that's difficult to use accurately when discussing IQ. Grok makes the implicit and incorrect assumption that genetic factors = race, among other issues. [0] https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Race

Ok, change it to "what we call race as a proxy for general geographic locations that people's ancestors come from." Which is what we all mean by race, anyways.

That's not what your previous post was talking about. But if you insist, at least make your point clear. "African Americans" and "Africans" are wildly different genetic populations that get subsumed under the same "Black" racial category in the US. Which one were you talking about?

The latter is more genetically diverse than any other human population by an incredible margin. Making generalized statements about them is impossible (including this one). As for African American populations, ancestry estimates of how closely related they are to African populations vary massively for each individual. Many people are much closer to "white" populations than any African population, due to the history of African Americans in North America. If you really mean race as a geographic proxy, the "black" label is simply confusing what you actually mean.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by baublet »

yongjik wrote: post #480
scarmig wrote: post #470

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Wiki's Gamergate opening paragraph: > Gamergate or GamerGate (GG) was a loosely organized misogynistic online harassment campaign motivated by a right-wing backlash against feminism, diversity, and progressivism in video game culture. It was conducted using the hashtag "#Gamergate" primarily in 2014 and 2015. Gamergate targeted women in the video game industry, most notably feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian and…

Well, I'm naively assuming Grokipedia is being sympathetic to the cause(?) of Gamergate, but if the best thing they could lead the article was essentially "It all started when someone got mad at his ex-girlfriend and her many other boyfriends and wrote something that went viral" ... ... it does sound like an online harassment campaign.

It was. In hindsight it signaled the beginning of the mass weaponization of the internet via social media. It also was NOT grassroots lol. It was very specifically and intentionally enflamed and groomed and funded by people like Steve Bannon and his good buddy Jeffrey Epstein. It wouldn’t have such a big Wikipedia article without them.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

servo_sausage wrote: post #487
ryandrake wrote: post #326

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OK, is there a specific example on either the Biden or Gamergate page that is factually incorrect? Or are you saying the entire pages are false?

My point is more that the history of those pages is a good example of how Wikipedia works for controversial topics; it's not really a process of becoming more correct as better sources are found and argued about like it is on more neutral pages, instead it's an in group deciding what to represent, collecting their preferred opinion pieces. And this changes over time, getting no closer to neutrality within the same ar…

It was also pretty credibly a psyop orchestrated by Steve Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein, but that’s probably better served in history books and biographies rather than an encyclopedia.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by baublet »

sumeno wrote: post #344
EGreg wrote: post #140

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I'm not a fan of Elon's software endeavors, ever since he bought Twitter and turned it into an even worse cesspool of angry political nonsense than it used to be. I don't like how he's been biasing Grok, etc. But, what exactly is so bad about Grokipedia? It's a different approach and I think a valid one: trying to do with AI what people have been doing manually at Wikipedia. I'm curious to hear the substantive compar…

It's controlled by a guy who spends all day retweeting white supremacists and lying about his companies. Why should anyone who isn't a white supremacist use it?

They would not. The do not.

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Post by jasonfarnon »

ladberg wrote: post #264
dan-robertson wrote: post #260

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Why does being a top AI researcher so often come with this philosophical bent you describe?

You are paying the smartest people in the world to think really really hard, and turns out they might also think really really hard about not making the world a worse place

not really. 15-20 years ago that same upper echelon of college/professional school graduates you're describing were going into finance.

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Post by dang »

epolanski wrote: post #56
dang wrote: post #45

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Ok, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

Is it? Elon's persona caused massive drops in usage of twitter, sales of Tesla, etc. Unsurprisingly many would not touch grok for the same distrust.

Tastes differ, of course, but a comment consisting of nothing more than "I wouldn't give $so-and-so a dime even if $such-and-such was $this-or-that" definitely counts as unsubstantive by the usual standard here.

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Post by baublet »

kubb wrote: post #169
rishabhaiover wrote: post #36

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These kind of HN submissions test how fair discussions can be here: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. Reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Is it politics or ideology to recognize the flawed character of someone? How cultish his following is? His erratic behavior, the damage that he's doing? Some people will cry "politics" just to take the voice away from those who dare to question their beloved celebrities.

Yeah and it’s not our fault every Elon discussion involves politics. It’s literally all he does all day, and all he seems interested in, anymore.
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