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We Will Not Be Divided

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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by paganel »

anigbrowl wrote: post #389
moogly wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're truly principled, and these are true red lines, given no other recourse, I would be impressed if Anthropic decided to shut down the company. Won't happen, but I would be smashing that F key if they did. The other two definitely never would in a million years.

If I had decision input at Anthropic I'd be giving serious consideration to reincorporating in the EU or Japan, and also doubling or tripling my personal legal and security budget.

They’ll go after their bank accounts and their financing, in effect killing them outright, no matter from where they’d be headquartered (other than China or Russia, that is). Also, EU and Japan would not risk their nuclear umbrella protection in order to defend the interest of an US company that is fighting the US Government, not in a million years.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by pjc50 »

alopha wrote: post #547
grey-area wrote: post #531

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Trump was threatening Netflix for having a democrat on the board last week. They seized 10% of Intel. They forced Nvidia to tithe 25% of China revenue into a slush fund. The FCC has been used to censor comedy. The ship has sailed and the only consequence has been hand-wringing.

But the Dow is over 50,000!

That is, the money doesn't care so long as it's still profitable. When the recession comes a Democrat will be allowed back in to fix things.

See Liz Truss.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by khalic »

alopha wrote: post #547
grey-area wrote: post #531

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Trump was threatening Netflix for having a democrat on the board last week. They seized 10% of Intel. They forced Nvidia to tithe 25% of China revenue into a slush fund. The FCC has been used to censor comedy. The ship has sailed and the only consequence has been hand-wringing.

Yeah the passivity of the US population will be remembered for generations. Of course it's the people talking about freedom the most that do the least, as usual, big mouths are antithetical to actions.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by goku12 »

beng-nl wrote: post #541
wood_spirit wrote: post #537

The talk about declaring anthropic a supply chain security risk (which doesn’t just remove it from DoW but also all the contractors and suppliers that supply DoW) was also accompanied by a completely different threat: to declare it national security need to take over then company. Prediction: in time, OpenAI will be declared such to privatise profits but socialise losses

Interesting. George hotz has said his motivation to start tinygrad was the worry that nvidia would be nationalized.

There is just one rule. If they mention it, they'll do it.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by pineaux »

grey-area wrote: post #531

This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.

Its called corporatism and is a part of classical fascism.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by goku12 »

plumthreads wrote: post #356
moogly wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're truly principled, and these are true red lines, given no other recourse, I would be impressed if Anthropic decided to shut down the company. Won't happen, but I would be smashing that F key if they did. The other two definitely never would in a million years.

Anthropic have a pretty progressive corporate governance structure, so there is a good argument that they will stay true to their principles. However, this will likely be the biggest test for how strong that governance structure is up to now.

There is one tiny problem in your assessment. That statement was written by the employees of Google and OpenAI, in solidarity with their counterparts at Anthropic. It doesn't really matter what Anthropic does. We're doomed! (cue the dramatic music!)

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by globular-toast »

_bohm wrote: post #302
medi8r wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Needs a union. With strikes and all that jazz.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. This letter is completely toothless, and what you're suggesting is literally the only thing that these people could do that would make a difference.

A lot of them have been brainwashed into believing unions are bad.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by goku12 »

voganmother42 wrote: post #47
davidw wrote: post #16

"We hope our leaders will..." I realize things are moving quickly, and the stakes are high here, but thinking about what happens if the hopes are not met might be a next step.

Tech leaders are a joke

More like a nightmare. This isn't happening by accident. They aren't being opportunistic either. They're playing a game that they planned at least two decades ago. If the books they wrote and published openly aren't evidence enough, you can look at the Epstein files. Look past all the obvious horrific crimes in it, and you'll the see signs of their numerous interventions in society through large scale social engineering, that got us to the dystopia we're in now.
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