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Re: Banned in California

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chaboud wrote: post #412

When I was a kid growing up in Texas, our ocean visits were to the Gulf of Mexico, off the Texas coast, and you would grab little alcohol wipes for when you got out of the ocean, to wipe the oil off. Years later, swimming in Hawaii, I found myself looking for wipes. I mentioned it to a snorkel-outfit operator, and she looked at me like I was insane. They didn't even put damaging sunscreen in the water, and there was…

Growing up on the Atlantic coast of Florida, we kept a can or Renuzit solvent in the garage to wipe tar spots off our feet after coming home from the beach. I'm sure that stuff was toxic. The tar was everywhere for a few weeks, then gone for a while.

Hawaii has other problems. When I lived there, I went through a lot of Neosporin because every scrape you get from a reef pushes in bacteria that got into the ocean from the leaking sewer pipes.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by coryrc »

cogman10 wrote: post #490
coryrc wrote: post #487

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> How is it that tesla expanded their cell manufacturing in 2023 in California They didn't, they built it in Reno.

https://electrek.co/2023/06/09/tesla-snaps-new-location-frem...

Thanks for posting. It says "The facility will support production of Tesla’s 4680 battery cell technology" (emphasis mine)

So they may be doing simpler portions of manufacturing. The article didn't claim you couldn't build any part of a battery without grandfathering.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by mrguyorama »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #408
lokar wrote: post #386

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California has droughts, but never water shortages.

Depends on the usage. According to news, there were water shortages in the past in California. Though, we are not talking just about California here.

Municipal water usage in California is only 20% of all water usage. The rest is almost entirely agriculture, and all that agriculture uses a strange system of water rights where you do not have to reduce consumption during a drought, and the last person in line instead absorbs all the drought problems.

This creates an insane political environment where the rich as fuck agribusiness which owns that final water right is incentivized to get that tiny municipal water usage reduced as much as possible to squeeze out a tiny bit more water for their own business, rather than reform the dumb water rights system which would ensure that they only shoulder a tiny tiny portion of drought scarcity but probably force them to pay a little bit for irrigation improvements or stop growing almonds as cheaply.

The only reason the rest of the country even knows about the California water situation is because those bottom rung agribusinesses are still wealthy as all fuck and have actively paid for national political campaigns

Re: Banned in California

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Post by coryrc »

zdp7 wrote: post #546
coryrc wrote: post #492

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> I did see a press release saying it is delayed, but the company maintains that it plans on building it. They finding out it's basically impossible, aren't they?

Not likely since the state of California provided a grant with the purpose of manufacturing battery cells in the state. Search for GFO-24-304. You are just kidding yourself if you think California is anti manufacturing. If you can show why this is untrue, show the info. Still had a link to the grant info. https://www.grants.ca.gov/grants/gfo-24-304-california-batte...

That grant is only for nonprofits and only for "pilot manufacturing and testing", not useful mass manufacturing.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by mint5 »

renjimen wrote: post #500
mint5 wrote: post #374

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Nice, you’ve just described how confirmation bias works. Out of context, incomplete single data points that feels like one’s already held view is how confirmation bias works.

All data points can be called confirmation bias if you frame them that way. The question is whether the data is accurate, not whether it's complete. The site isn't claiming regulations are the only factor, just that they're sufficient to make things impossible regardless of other factors.

“The question is whether the data is accurate, not whether it is complete”

Oh so Lies of omission don’t exist? Deception researchers will be very keen to hear how that works.

So if someone Mormon bubbles a photo of you that also has a kid in it, you’re fine being arrested for indecency and registering as a sex offender? After all, that’s just omitting a few pixels, not a lie or deception in your book.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by coryrc »

zdp7 wrote: post #518
coryrc wrote: post #487

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> How is it that tesla expanded their cell manufacturing in 2023 in California They didn't, they built it in Reno.

The website is garbage. Bad guy anti manufacturing California put out a grant to build impossible to build lithium battery cell manufacturing capacity in California. https://www.grants.ca.gov/grants/gfo-24-304-california-batte...

That grant is only for nonprofits and only for "pilot manufacturing and testing", not useful mass manufacturing.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by Freebytes »

almosthere wrote: post #480
ecshafer wrote: post #288

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Which political party is for a universal healthcare system? The largest political party with universal health care on their platform is the Green party. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/2024-Democr... This is the current DNC platform. There are zero mentions of a universal / single payer / socialized healthcare system. There are four mentions of "healthcare" it refers to maintaining the ACA (which is…

When you get unlimited health care, health care costs skyrocket and you end up with a broken system that no party wants to fix - and everyone ends up with NO health care. If we went back to paying cash to the doctor, people with jobs will be able to afford it. And for insane life threatening events, job insurance and other forms of umbrellas.

This is such an impossible to solve problem that every advanced nation on Earth has already solved it, except the United States.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by 0xffff2 »

parineum wrote: post #396
gorfian_robot wrote: post #378

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this does happen to some extent for example with auto emissions and other things. CA is such a large market when it alone makes a change, it often drags along other states or the nation.

For example, the ubiquity of backup cameras in cars is because it is a requirement in CA.

This is not correct. The backup camera requirement comes from a NHTSA (i.e. Federal) regulation.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by SiempreViernes »

WhatsTheBigIdea wrote: post #548
rswail wrote: post #248

This is whining from someone that doesn't want to be responsible for the externality of pollution that these manufacturing facilities generate. The regulations are to stop the pollution, if you can manufacture without polluting, then you'll comply and be able to manufacture. The problem is that there are other regulatory environments where the people aren't protected from pollution. What would fix that is enforcing t…

The regulatory bureaucracy is a real hurdle. Even if you want to comply with the regulations, navigating the regulatory bureaucracy is a killer. Super slow, super expensive, quite opaque, somewhat arbitrary, and highly punitive. Even if the bureaucracy didn't exist and everyone voluntarily followed the regulations, you could not run a globally cost competitive business without some sort of subsidy when competing with…

Yeah, everyone wants faster bureaucracy until they see the cost estimate for proper staffing, then just pretending there wasn't any harm to regulate in the first place becomes the preferred option.

Re: Banned in California

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Post by dmix »

danans wrote: post #541
terminalshort wrote: post #468

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China has reduced its pollution massively since the 90s while aggressively expanding its industrial output. And they have done it without excessive bureaucracy and delays in construction. In the US environmental laws are not about the environment at all. They are there to enrich lawyers who profit from multi year permitting processes and lawsuits.

> China has reduced its pollution massively since the 90s while aggressively expanding its industrial output. And they have done it without excessive bureaucracy China's system is authoritarian state-capitalism. It is precisely the bureaucracy that steered it's industries toward this outcome.

It helps you can buy an electric car in China for 1/4th the price as California. They also massively invested in every sort of energy (not just solar) where it's cheap and affordable to develop industry. Everyone obsesses about labour costs but almost everything is easier and cheaper to build in China because they allow stuff to be built there. Including the workers far lower housing, utilities, fuel, and food prices which lower the cost of living.
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