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New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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This is pretty damning. It would be interesting to see if new accounts collect karma at any rate whatsoever.

I did on my old account, but dang just banned it because I said my older accounts got banned for opposing AI.

That's not why we'd ban someone.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#552

Why? What's the incentive/value to commenting here with AI?

HN is a pretty influencial forum. Lots of tech journalists in mainstream media use it to get a pulse on what the SV/VC/Startup/BigTech crowd and adjacencies are talking about.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#553

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unrelated but I've never understood how to put a smiley at the end of parenthetical sentences (which comes up surprisingly often for me since I use smileys a lot and also like using parentheses). Just the smiley as an end parentheses (like this :) feels off but adding another parentheses (like this :) ) makes it look like it should be nested which causes problems since I also tend to nest parenthetical sentences (lik…

Your comment made me realise that there's logic to this (like this :) , since in HTML we can: do this and this instead of: ... and instead of You might like Lisp, but what you're saying reminds me of the late 00s/early 2010s xHTML2 vs. HTML5 debate :)

You monster.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#554

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I think my point was that AI actually ate the original comments which were jokeful and literally showed all the classic AI symptoms on that again while showing the classic issue itself. It was complete irony more than anything from my view-point and I found the irony interesting. The "interesting" thing about this is that you can give any rudiculous idea to AI and say autocomplete after this: "You are absolutely righ…

You can make that statement without subjecting people to slop. Edit: I realize that sounds harsh. Not trying to be. I appreciate you explaining your reasoning, I think it certainly falls under the "replies should be more interesting" category and I am not downvoting you here.

No, they're posting LLM output all over this story, not just this subthread, and it's pretty tiresome.

edit: he only did it twice, I exaggerated and that's my bad.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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I'm still salty that I can't use em-dashes anymore for fear of my writing being flagged as AI generated. Been using them for years—it's just `alt+shift+-` on a Mac keyboard and I find them more legible in many fonts compared to the simple dash on the typical numpad. It's so sad to me that good typographical conventions have been co-opted by the zeitgeist of LLMs.

Just do it anyway—I always have, and always will. Well, I haven't always —just for maybe 20 years.

Before the wide adoption of Unicode in mainstream operating systems, quite a few people used -- (two ASCII minus signs) to differentiate between a hyphen and a dash (of either pedigree), and some people used -- in emails and online where a dash was required.

Most think that it came from TeX, which had -- (for an en dash) and --- (for an em dash, although I don't think I have ever observed it out in the wild outside TeX), but in fact, the habit well predates TeX and goes all the way back to typewriters where typists habitually hit two hyphens in a row to approximate an em dash. The approximated em dash was described in hard-copy manuscript preparation rules such as The Chicago Manual of Style.

So, if you have ever used a typewriter or TeX, you can claim an even richer than 20 years’ heritage of using the em dash.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#558

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If you change to > select user, source, count(*), ... it's clear that every single outlier in em-dash use in the data set is a green account.

Hah (or maybe sad face), found bots replying to bots: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47137227

This was the original Moltbook

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

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2040 at Wal-Mart: - Customer: Excuse me, I'm looking for the Aunt Jemima maple syrup. Can you point me in the right direction? - Employee: y u ask like chatbot

Wow a human employee in walmart in 2040, very optimistic take.

Wow a human in 2040, very optimistic take.

Re: New accounts on HN more likely to use em-dashes

#560

Prior to the rise of LLM-written posts and the natural reaction of hair-trigger suspicion, I used to em and en dash fairly often in posts on HN. No reason really other than being a bit of a typography geek who happens to have always used dashes in casual writing instead of semicolons. So when I was setting up a modifier-key keyboard layer with AHK many years ago I put the em dash on modifier+dash just because I could…

I do agree... I sometimes use worse grammar (like that ellipses) and leave in typos just so my comments feel more "real" now.

Show HN: A RL suite that teaches LLMs to introduce typos at just the right frequency for the output to appear more human.
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