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Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by Glyptodon »

It's interesting and very annoying. I use FB basically to follow a couple groups that I've followed for like 15 years and a couple family members. Most of what it shows me seems to be related to interests I have or anything I slow down for even 5 seconds to process. Like "slow down when scrolling to see if I really am seeing the insane thing I think" and it'll show me more. Sometime I report stuff. Like a real (I think) thirst trap holding up a sexual innuendo/come on with the writing reversed. But they never actually take action on anything I report no matter how fake, false, or innaproproate it is. I also routinely block everything it ever shows me with AI (photorealistic AI images of history with a chapter of writing seem common).

It's all a big joke of spam and scam.

...but engaging even slightly in a few specific topics or interests seems to make the worst of it go away for more of those topics.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by vasco »

shirro wrote: post #336

The algorithm has been given a job todo. First priority on any platform is engagement and a well functioning, complete human being is not going to be engaged by rage bait and hate. They are rare, precious jewels. The shit gets dumped on people who are lonely, have a grudge, feel left out. It is relentless and escalates until their brains cook. Algorithmic social media is a massive social harm. The people who are in d…

Should I stop using my phone because some people do crime through the phone so I'm protecting children by not calling anyone?

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by DeathArrow »

mbo wrote: post #202

My mother is an international flight attendant in her 60s. I recently caught a glimpse of her Facebook and I was shocked to discover a version of the website that seemed to be the platonic ideal of exactly what all the Facebook PMs intended. Her feed was filled with the photos of her friends and coworkers international trips and holidays, posts in groups for planning activities in her most frequented cities. But I di…

I live in an European country where Facebook is used often and I can say I have my wall mostly filled with posts from people that interest me and that I interact with.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by vasco »

UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #524
ipaddr wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can we complain that everyone is siloed and no one talks to each other and complian that their feed is full of ideas outside of the silo.

What next? The intellectual dark web? I think we can have a free market of ideas or whatever you’re fetishising without it meaning that I can’t sit on the couch and open an app to see some family photos without it being intermingled with some loser saying that trans people should be hanged on the street. And you know for a fact that I am not exaggerating. This is where the current political discourse is at. Can I ple…

Your family photos should be on the Photos app and you'd have no problems.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by DeathArrow »

shirro wrote: post #336

The algorithm has been given a job todo. First priority on any platform is engagement and a well functioning, complete human being is not going to be engaged by rage bait and hate. They are rare, precious jewels. The shit gets dumped on people who are lonely, have a grudge, feel left out. It is relentless and escalates until their brains cook. Algorithmic social media is a massive social harm. The people who are in d…

>These platforms need to be shut down and people with a conscience need to stop using them, regardless of their own positive experiences, to deny them the power of network effects and their impact on the vulnerable.

In places where media is very biased to one political idea, online platforms like Facebook can be a breath of fresh air, people can share their ideas, voice their thoughts and concerns and express their opinions.

This is invaluable for democracy and it does have effect in the real life as it shapes the elections.

People don't depend just on the media anymore to have an informed opinion and the propaganda is much less effective.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by DeathArrow »

flir wrote: post #384
shirro wrote: post #336

The algorithm has been given a job todo. First priority on any platform is engagement and a well functioning, complete human being is not going to be engaged by rage bait and hate. They are rare, precious jewels. The shit gets dumped on people who are lonely, have a grudge, feel left out. It is relentless and escalates until their brains cook. Algorithmic social media is a massive social harm. The people who are in d…

My wife was complaining about far right knuckle draggers turning up in her feed. I assume the algorithm was shovelling more of them at her because she was rubbernecking. I told her to try a "block every time" approach. It took about two weeks until her feed was (mostly) free of them but it still throws one at her now and again. I offer this as a data point about how hard it is to turn a polluted feed around. But I'm…

I think the feeds depends on the posts you read, even accidentally.

My feed is free from extreme left content but I didn't have to block anything. Simply by not reading that kind of content, the algorithm knows I am not interested.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by DeathArrow »

whyenot wrote: post #391
mbo wrote: post #202

My mother is an international flight attendant in her 60s. I recently caught a glimpse of her Facebook and I was shocked to discover a version of the website that seemed to be the platonic ideal of exactly what all the Facebook PMs intended. Her feed was filled with the photos of her friends and coworkers international trips and holidays, posts in groups for planning activities in her most frequented cities. But I di…

As a middle aged (gen x) woman, my facebook feed is pretty good. It's filled with posts from friends and interest groups that I am a part of. The reason I no longer use FB has nothing to do with the feed, it's because Mark Zuckerberg is an awful person, and I refuse to use his product. The cognitive dissonance is great here, because I still use WhatsApp; it's the best way to stay in contact with my relatives in Europ…

My Facebook feed is great, my X feed is great. I don't use Facebook and X because I like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk but because I genuinely read interesting things and I interact with people I like.

That being said, I don't spend too much time on social networks because I have lots of other things to do.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by happymellon »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #537
arcatech wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes you have to stand for something even if it’s inconvenient.

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> You also don’t systematically evaluate all CEOs of all products to use.

We certainly evaluate companies on their CEOs if their CEOs make themselves high profile enough.

You are certainly judged here if you have a Tesla because of Musk hence why sales have dropped 50%.

Other companies that don't have as high profile CEOs can get away with terrible points of view.

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by LarsDu88 »

jrmg wrote: post #444
LarsDu88 wrote: post #442

The poster here doesn't seem to grasp how Facebook's algorithms work. He didn't use it for a very long time. The algorithm defaulted to content that appeals what little it knows about him... probably a middle aged man who hasn't clicked on facebook in a very long time. Maybe the first thing he actually did click on was a notification with a picture of an attractive young woman. If he sought out richer stuff on the pl…

You appear to be saying that this is the content it will just serve to a middle age man who hasn’t used it in a long time by default. You don’t think that’s problematic?

Lets imagine you work at Coca Cola and your job is to sell soda. Soda causes diabetes and tooth decay. Don't you think that's problematic?

Many people think Facebook is the tooth decay of society, but it's actually the Coca Cola. And Coca Cola makes a lot of money

Re: Facebook is cooked

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Post by LarsDu88 »

jamwil wrote: post #467
_3u10 wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think it's problematic, why not tell us why, I have no idea why it would be problematic. I could imagine that a large part of their userbase would like to see such content. I would actually bet that it generates a lot of clicks and ad rev. To me it sounded like the content was body positive, and promoting women who constitute a minority of society and face a lot of undue scrutiny from the majority because of t…

Found a clanker

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