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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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johnebgd wrote: post #546
erikbye wrote: post #537

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It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…

I’ve met many more $5M/year “SaaS” entrepreneurs who built a Wordpress plugin than a custom SaaS platform. Your point is well made.

Right. Shopify apps, too, is a gold mine.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by mdavid626 »

erikbye wrote: post #537
tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…

The opposite is not true though: successful products might have messy codebases, but that doesn’t mean, that messy codebases lead to successful products, or that quality doesn’t matter.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by matwood »

croes wrote: post #482
abalone wrote: post #440

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I think this comment misses that OpenAI hired the guy, not the project. "This guy was able to vibe code a major thing" is exactly the reason they hired him. Like it or not, so-called vibe coding is the new norm for productive software development and probably what got their attention is that this guy is more or less in the top tier of vibe coders. And laser focused on helpful agents. The open source project, which wi…

So creating unsafe software is the new norm?

> the new norm

More like the same as it always has been.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by democracy »

erikbye wrote: post #537
tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…

I like your optimism but no - you are still hired via "excels at hackerrank", every big tech company first interview is exactly this, no matter how many projects your delivered and how useful you are/were at you previous job.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by indemnity »

westonplatter0 wrote: post #534
tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

He also spent 13 years building [an] OCR document engine company (PSPDFKit) before becoming an "overnight" vibe coder success story.

His PDF toolkit was pretty solid and high quality if you were in the iOS space.

He’s not just a “vibe coder”.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by onion2k »

mdavid626 wrote: post #553
erikbye wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…

The opposite is not true though: successful products might have messy codebases, but that doesn’t mean, that messy codebases lead to successful products, or that quality doesn’t matter.

There's a balance to strike, and it's hard to get right. You have to give up quality enough that you actually deliver things to users rather than working on 'the perfect code', but you also have to keep quality high enough that you're not slowed down by spaghetti code and tech debt so much that you can't deliver quickly as well.

This is made more complicated by the fact that where the balance lies depends on the people working on the code - some developers can cope with working in a much more of a mess than others. There is no objective 'right way' when you're starting out.

If you have weeks of runway left spending it refactoring code or writing tests is definitely a waste of time, but if you raise your next round or land some new paying customers you'll immediately feel that you made the wrong choices and sacrificed quality where you shouldn't have. This is just a fact of life that everyone has to live with.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by democracy »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

I don't know this guy's abilities so can't comment on that, but looking at how much AI companies spend on marketing - that's a great hire.
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