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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…

That is awesome

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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> France is not adopting existing open source software As a Frenchman, this stings. I have been working since 2017 in creating an open source alternative to Dropbox ( https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash ), the reality is out of 60 customers, only 2 are French and most contacts I've had with French entities only shown interest onto open source because they were not willing to spend a dime on anything. Custome…

Does Filestash support replication/automated backups and encryption? Also, do you have mobile clients?

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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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If you want forms try https://visualdb.com/ it is another tool that aims to be Microsoft Access

https://nocodb.com/ is an open source alternative.

It has data corruption issues, see https://visualdb.com/blog/concurrencycontrol/

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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> Code bases are on GitHub Not a very solid way to move away from American big tech :/

Maybe they have local copies as well, and just figured they might as well take GitHub’s free bandwidth and social networking features.

Surely everyone who uses GitHub has a local copy, that's pretty much how git works.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Refreshing. No more Teams? Sounds like a dream... Of all the crapware I am forced to work with, Teams really pushes the envelope in every single negative way conceivable. I think I have more love for SharePoint than Teams, and that is a massive concession.

The Zen of Teams is that Teams is so clunky it cannot be Slack. Without threads, there is no breach of thread-etiquette. When "channels" are so awkward, nobody uses them. Then there is no constant deluge of middle-age folks creating a Facebook out of work, needing to be reminded that the photos channel is for business-photos, not pictures of their kids. When emoji support is limited, nobody has to police people pushi…

For the most part I agree with you: there is less functionality and hence less to police. There are also fewer people in chats/channels, as for the most part they are private or undiscoverable.

There are definitely still breaches of etiquette though, e.g. people frequently tagging a whole channel when they have a support question, even though it contains hundreds of people.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Maybe it's just a PR stunt, maybe not, we'll find out in due time.

The thing is, there has been a lot of announcement like that in the past, but when the dust settles, you find out that every other ministry just signed another contract with Microsoft, so yeah.

The DINUM (the state agency behind these tools) just try very hard to be relevant, but in the end, the ministries are relatively autonomous in their choices.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Such a shame that so many U.S. citizens do not see the ramifications of their political decisions. Each one of these actions is a stepping stone the world is taking as a direct consequence of U.S. political negligence. And however difficult it was to render this consequence, it will be tenfold, or hundredfold, as difficult to reverse course.

Shame that so many EU citizens do not see the ramifications of theirs . EU citizens have elected ineffective leaders for decades -- leaders that ignored the potential to set up homegrown cloud providers, software suites or tech companies. They have elected leaders who were until very recently heavily dependent on Russian energy. As a result, EU dependence on US tech is near-total. I remember hearing a few months ago…

> I remember hearing a few months ago that companies in the EU still have to use Dun & Bradstreet (a US company) for routine government filings!

Only to do business with US companies, or have a USD account with some payment providers such as Wise I think, not for anything else.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Eu Inc. will become a reality soon, so it isn't like the Commission is standing still: eu.inc/what-is-eu-inc

EU inc is worthless without alignment on a single capital market for fundraising and ultimately going public, sane/interoperable labor laws for hiring, and a single language market over the long term. The last piece is extremely important. Being able to raise money and hire across the EU with no friction would be fantastic, but it means nothing if actually selling into different EU markets has massive language barrie…

It's a crucial step on the way. Definitely nothing to scoff at.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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The countries of the EU need to ask themselves why these software unicorns are not starting in their countries. Why do so many European entrepeneurs come to the United States to start their businesses?

The EU has a tendency to regulate business before they ever get started. They might want to look at their regulatory structure so companies like Zoom start in the EU, and not in United States.

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