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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#552One of the charges is "fraudulent data extraction by an organised group." That's going to affect the entire social media industry if applied broadly.
Frankly it sounds to me like a "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" kind of operation. France and the UK, and judging by yesterday's speech by the PM of Spain maybe the whole EU might be looking to do what China and Russia did earlier on and start cracking down on foreign social media by making it impossible to operate without total alignment with their vision and not just their (new) rules. Together with a…
> EU might be looking to do what China and Russia did earlier on and start cracking down on foreign social media
For some reason you forgot to mention "Like the US did with TikTok".
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#553Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#554Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does that mesh with all the safe harbour provisions we've depended on to make the modern internet, though?
This might be an unpopular opinion but I always thought we might be better off without Web 2.0 where site owners aren’t held responsible for user content If you’re hosting content, why shouldn’t you be responsible, because your business model is impossible if you’re held to account for what’s happening on your premises? Without safe harbor, people might have to jump through the hoops of buying their own domain name,…
What about webmail, IM, or any other sort of web-hosted communication? Do you honestly think it would be better if Google were responsible for whatever content gets sent to a gmail address?
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
At my kids school the children have been using grok to create pics of other children without clothes on - chatgpt etc won’t let you do that - grok needs some controls and x seem unable to do that themselves.
What would raiding the office achieve in this case apart from just showing off power.
In such a case specifically: Uncover internal communication that shows the company was aware of the problem and ignored it, which presumably affects liability a lot.
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the reasoning is that the AI contributes to more epsteins. In some way.
How? THat's like the 1993 moral panic that video games like Doom cause mass shootings, or the 1980's mass panic that metal music causes satanist, or the 1950s moral panic that superhero comic book violence leads to juvenile delinquency. Politicians are constantly looking for an external made up enemy to divert attention to from the real problems. People like Epstein and mass woman/child exploitation have existed for…
Another line of reasoning is that with more fake CP it is more difficult to research the real CP hunt down the perpetrators and consequently save children.
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a strange assumption. The training is "summon the lawyers immediately", "ensure they're accompanied at all times while on company premises", etc.
That can start with self deleting messages if you are under court order, and has happens before: “Google intended to subvert the discovery process, and that Chat evidence was ‘lost with the intent to prevent its use in litigation’ and ‘with the intent to deprive another party of the information’s use in the litigation.’” https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.37... VW is another case where similar…
Right, but you are confusing a _conspiracy_ with staff training.
I didn't work anywhere near the level, or anything thats dicey where I needed to have a "oh shit delete everything the Feds are here" plan. Which is a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (I'm not sure what the common law/legal code name for that is)
The stuff I worked on was legal and in the spirit of the law, along with a paper trail (that I also still have) proving that.
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#558Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#559> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.
> This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers. The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography.
No other "AI" companies released tools that could do the same?