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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by ebbi »

wiseowise wrote: post #274
logicchains wrote: post #86

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>You are downvoted, but you are totally right. Humans are not meant to cry daily over stuff that happens half a world away You mean humans are not meant to learn about the atrocities their government is funding half a world away.

It’s what news made by reputable sources is for.

It's the 'reputable' news sources that have often pushed misinformation and half-truths, often in subtle ways.

Just do a review of BBC headlines for it's coverage on the Israel-Palestine conflict. Many headlines where Israel was the aggressor were passive, never naming Israel as the aggressor, but whenever it was aggression from the Palestinian side, it was highlighted.

Even the death toll in Gaza, where for the last few years the headlines, when reorting on the death toll, often stated 'unconfirmed', or 'Hamas-provided', to cause doubt in the numbers, when historically, the numbers provided by Hamas were relatively accurate, and just the other day the IDF admits that the ~70k death toll is realistic.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by NoPicklez »

Aerroon wrote: post #533
newzino wrote: post #298

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Does the evidence actually say anything about social media bans helping? Because these bans aren't really based on anything other than vibes. The proponents are the same people who will say that social media has rotted the brains of kids and reduced their attention spans. Their evidence for that? Someone else said so. That someone else said so, because 1. Microsoft research saw that people spend less time on a websit…

Here is a very good meta analysis on short form content

https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2026-89350-001.html

Also how else do you get evidence on them working if nobody else has done a ban. Why does you have to wait for someone else to do it before you do it for your own country.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by heavyset_go »

viktorcode wrote: post #226
lm28469 wrote: post #127

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Good, less people will waste their lives talking to bots and other low value activities

I expect more kids will switch to playing more games on their phones with their friends. Whoever thinks the kids will instead put down their phones and starting go out more often has lost touch with reality.

You don't understand, we're going back to the good old days.

Kids will go back to rolling hoops and playing jacks in the street, they'll write letters to each other in cursive, because print is addictive, and we can finally go back to the time where if a kid is even a little bit different from those around them, they're robbed of having any type of social support system that doesn't ostracize them.

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Post by wraptile »

bilsbie wrote: post #95

Noble goal but it ends up being a defacto internet license. All ages need to show id to use sites and services.

It's not even a noble goal because it's entirely populist rather than evidence and logic based. It's giving: "Yay we solved bad parenting by pretending that bad stuff is not allowed on the internet, but only for those who are under 15". It's sad that anyone believes that this would have any real positive outcomes for our society.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by wraptile »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #81
Aeolun wrote: post #31

Is it really so controversial to ban it entirely? We ban heroin and other hard drugs. I think most people are better off, and have a more nuanced view of reality if the only news they get is local. Or the updates from people they know always in person.

You are downvoted, but you are totally right. Humans are not meant to cry daily over stuff that happens half a world away, or be exposed to a thousand new strangers every day. But thanks to internet, your mom and aunt can have an endless fuel to their various anxieties and your daughter can have eating disorders comparing herself to celebrities. Bring a pre-internet pre-24/7 TV person to present day and they’ll spot…

> Humans are not meant to

not meant to? by whom?

We live in houses, with artificial light, heating and air conditioning, having sex without risk of pregnancy or "god-forbid" sex with people who are not capable of being pregnant. So, what exactly are we not meant to do?

There's a certain natural human nature but it's expressed through abtract virtue like justice, knowledge, safety, connection - this is the only acceptable and reasonable expression of what humans are "meant to" do.

This makes me angry because fundamentally this is an attack on average person's intelligence and capabilities. We are not beasts that need to be hearded by some illuminated masters who deem what is and what isn't human nature.

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Post by jwr »

lizknope wrote: post #488
netsharc wrote: post #474

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Usenet before the Eternal September? I remember using some forums, and there'd be pages and pages of idiots just replying "Wow, this is great, thanks OP!", or "Thanks from me too!". How the fuck do you think you're contributing rather than polluting? And nowadays they can even create Github accounts and do this...

I first got on the Internet in 1991. The older students told me to lurk on Usenet and not post anything for a month or 2 to avoid getting flamed. I did and then I loved it. Once all the @aol.com people started showing up it went downhill. By 2000 it was so full of spam and garbage that I stopped going. I connected to a Usenet server last year for the first time in over 20 years and it was just full of junk.

Funny thing is, if we were to revive it now, it might end up as a pretty nice place, given that all the dumb crowds now have their 4chans, reddits, phpBBs, facebooks, instagrams, etc.

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Post by stevage »

attendant3446 wrote: post #520
stevage wrote: post #508

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As opposed to what?

Tbh, anything that is not a proprietary closed garden. Why access to the clubs/interest groups now requires to compromise the privacy?

Wait, you're saying that using Signal or Telegram is compromising privacy?

I'm really curious what you're hoping for?

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Post by AngryData »

shevy-java wrote: post #246
SauntSolaire wrote: post #221

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Agreed. I wish they would consider charging a small fee (~$1) to create an account. That alone would cut down on all the AI spam and give subreddit moderators a fighting chance.

But one problem on reddit were the mods. It was why I retired. Bots and AI spam can be annoying but mods that lock you out of discussions are much worse.

Yeah the reddit mod system is just ripe for abuse. They have little to no accountability, the people acting as police were the same people you appealed to and who acted as judge, there was a clear reddit mod political class with certain users or groups of users controlling significant swaths of subreddits, and with it judgements in 1 sub might get you banned from other subs. And if someone got enough mod shills in a sub they could oust original or well liked mods. And there is clear financial gains and benefits to doing all of that. Meanwhile regular users that built the site and made it a place people wanted to visit had basically zero say or influence on any of it.

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Post by AngryData »

AlienRobot wrote: post #273
alexjplant wrote: post #210

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Reddit has been a cesspit of recycled pablum, populist image macros and low effort reply comments for more than a decade. Enthusiast subreddits are astroturfed to hell and back by people with a Shopify storefront and a dream trying to growth hack their way to a hockey stick. The low barrier to entry to each community means that this vapid culture eventually diffuses itself across subreddits that might otherwise be go…

The craziest thing about Reddit for me is how most communities forbid "self-promotion." To me that sounds like a thing only admins would want because it keeps users on the site/app, but this is enforced by moderators for some reason and a lot of drama has occurred over banning creators over these silly rules. It's a place that originally was a link-sharing platform, where you literally can't share a link to your own…

Well you wouldn't want independent creators and small start-up businesses getting exposure over large corporate ventures with full marketing departments would you? Think about the pour investor class that has sunk so much money into marketing, and then some chick in a basement hand weaving some silver wire pendant gets a sale and only earns 15% markup instead of the mass produced cheap zinc pendant with a 300% markup.

/S

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

shevy-java wrote: post #246
SauntSolaire wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I wish they would consider charging a small fee (~$1) to create an account. That alone would cut down on all the AI spam and give subreddit moderators a fighting chance.

But one problem on reddit were the mods. It was why I retired. Bots and AI spam can be annoying but mods that lock you out of discussions are much worse.

I remember your story differently. You were consistently trolling /r/programming from multiple accounts for years (shevegen, shevy-ruby, shevy-java). You relied on the fact that /r/programming pretty much wasn't moderated at all.
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