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>I got lazy with your responses and just threw in a few bullet points to AI This should legit be a permabannable offense. That is titanically disrespectful of not just your discussion partner, but of good discussion culture as a whole.
Claude's new constitution
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#552Earlier quoted context omitted.
Military technology is a public good. The only way to stop a russian soldier from launching yet another missile at my house is to kill him.
I'd agree, although only in those rare cases where the Russian soldier, his missile, and his motivation to chuck it at you manifested out of entirely nowhere a minute ago. Otherwise there's an entire chain of causality that ends with this scenario, and the key idea here, you see, is to favor such courses of action as will prevent the formation of the chain rather than support it. Else you quickly discover that missil…
The russian soldier's motivation is manufactured by the putin regime and its incredibly effective multi-generational propaganda machine.
The same propagandists who openly call for the rape, torture, and death of Ukrainian civilians today were not so long ago saying that invading Ukraine would be an insane idea.
You know russian propagandists used to love Zelensky, right?
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I don't think you are using "torture" in the same sense as I am. When I say "torture", I mean acts which cause substantial physical pain or injury.
People smother their infants to stop them from crying in order to have some quiet. Causing physical harm for their own satisfaction. I mean shit, if we're going there, people sexually abuse their children for their own gratification.
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If there was less military technology, the Russian soldier wouldn't have yet another missile to launch at your house in the first place
Are you going to ask the russians to demilitarise? As an aside, do you understand how offensive it is to sit and pontificate about ideals such as this while hundreds of thousands of people are dead, and millions are sitting in -15ºC cold without electricity, heating, or running water?
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#555As someone who holds to moral absolutes grounded in objective truth, I find the updated Constitution concerning. > We generally favor cultivating good values and judgment over strict rules... By 'good values,' we don’t mean a fixed set of 'correct' values, but rather genuine care and ethical motivation combined with the practical wisdom to apply this skillfully in real situations. This rejects any fixed, universal mo…
objective truth moral absolutes I wish you much luck on linking those two. A well written book on such a topic would likely make you rich indeed. This rejects any fixed, universal moral standards That's probably because we have yet to discover any universal moral standards.
However, things like love your neighbor as yourself and love the lord God with all of your heart is a solid start for a Christian. Is Claude a Christian? Is something like the golden rule applicable?
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I'm quite interested to hear how you think this refutes the parent comment? Are you saying that someone who supports legalised abortion would disagree with the quoted text?
No. I think the opposite is true. Those who consider abortion murder can claim that we do not in fact universally condemn the murder of babies because abortion is legal and widely practiced in many places. Some may consider abortion to only kill a fetus rather than a fully formed baby and thus not murder. Others disagree because they consider a fetus a baby in its own right. This raises a more fundamental question ab…
The moral status of abortion is irrelevant to the question of whether “don’t harm babies for fun” is a moral universal, because no woman gets an abortion because “abortion is fun”
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#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, that was tried. It was called GPT-4.5 and it sucked, despite being 5-10T params in size. All the AI labs gave up on pretrain only after that debacle. GPT-4.5 still is good at rote memorization stuff, but that's not surprising. The same way, GPT-3 at 175b knows way more facts than Qwen3 4b, but the latter is smarter in every other way. GPT-4.5 had a few advantages over other SOTA models at the time of release, b…
> and Claude Opus 4.5 is merely a ~160B active param model Do you have a source for this?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039486
This guess is from launch day, but over time has been shown to be roughly correct, and aligns with the performance of Opus 4.5 vs 4.1 and across providers.
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#558Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you going to ask the russians to demilitarise? As an aside, do you understand how offensive it is to sit and pontificate about ideals such as this while hundreds of thousands of people are dead, and millions are sitting in -15ºC cold without electricity, heating, or running water?
No, I'm simply disagreeing that military technology is a public good. Hundreds of thousands of people wouldn't be dead if Russia had no military technology. If the only reason something exists is to kill people, is it really a public good?
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Come on. This a forum full of otherwise highly intelligent people. How is such incredible naïveté possible?
Re: Claude's new constitution
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#560The constitution contains 43 instances of the word 'genuine', which is my current favourite marker for telling if text has been written by Claude. To me it seems like Claude has a really hard time _not_ using the g word in any lengthy conversation even if you do all the usual tricks in the prompt - ruling, recommending, threatening, bribing. Claude Code doesn't seem to have the same problem, so I assume the system pr…
Four "but also"s, one "not only", two "not just"s, but never in conjunction, which would be a really easy telltale.
Zero "and also"s, which is what I frequently write, as a human, non english-native speaker.
Verdict: likely AI slop?