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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by lsiq »

MallocVoidstar wrote: post #261
torginus wrote: post #100

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Drama aside, why would someone prefer Adafruit or Sparkfun products over much cheaper whitelabel alternatives from China? A lot of those come with very good support and communities as well.

Adafruit dev boards are way more expensive than Chinese alternatives but I've never used an Adafruit board where I went "why in the world did they do X ", where X is some design choice (except having a bright LED light up while the board had power). On the other hand I've had Chinese boards that have a battery jack but an always-powered component on the board uses like 10+mA at all times when alternative choices for…

Adafruit is basically the best but their whole reside-in-NYC philosophy makes zero sense. The contention that they can hire better people in NYC holds no water because over 50% of what they pay their employees goes to 3 layers of governments with no meaningful benefit AND their people pay NYC rents.

They could literally halve their prices or double their pay if they moved to Jacksonville or similar. And their employees would get daily sunshine and own a house, instead of inhaling 100 year old dust in the subway everyday, commuting from their tiny 1BR apartment. It boggles the mind.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by ptorrone »

lsiq wrote: post #551
MallocVoidstar wrote: post #261

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Adafruit dev boards are way more expensive than Chinese alternatives but I've never used an Adafruit board where I went "why in the world did they do X ", where X is some design choice (except having a bright LED light up while the board had power). On the other hand I've had Chinese boards that have a battery jack but an always-powered component on the board uses like 10+mA at all times when alternative choices for…

Adafruit is basically the best but their whole reside-in-NYC philosophy makes zero sense. The contention that they can hire better people in NYC holds no water because over 50% of what they pay their employees goes to 3 layers of governments with no meaningful benefit AND their people pay NYC rents. They could literally halve their prices or double their pay if they moved to Jacksonville or similar. And their employe…

not everyone who works at adafruit works in our industry city, brooklyn factory. we've been doing remote before it was a thing, you can check out our shows or ask before assuming the worst, but whatevers, you made up your mind and want us to move to florida.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by DetroitThrow »

andromaton wrote: post #446

Probably the key to eventual clarity is at PJRC's forum. PJRC makes Teensy. Imho it's a great product, and the owner, Paul Stoffregen, a great engineer and person from my experience using their products. https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-... My summary: 1. SparkFun and Adafruit are in conflict 2. SparkFun manufactures Teensy under license from PJRC 3. SparkFun cuts off Adafruit as a reseller…

Paul is awesome. Seems to be stuck in the middle of Adafruit and SparkFun duking it out.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by 15155 »

oytis wrote: post #500
15155 wrote: post #425

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Perhaps by minding your own business and focusing on the work? Nobody is forcing you to view that person's blog or to even know it exists. If that individual's viewpoints somehow visibly leak into their work or professional communications, then you might have a case for complaint or concern.

That's demanding too much from minorities IMO. OK, you should tolerate a racist colleague, what about a racist boss? Like, you know he'd like to see fewer people like you, and also gets to decide about your promotion or layoff.

Why and how do you know they are a racist?

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by 15155 »

Kbelicius wrote: post #523
15155 wrote: post #425

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Perhaps by minding your own business and focusing on the work? Nobody is forcing you to view that person's blog or to even know it exists. If that individual's viewpoints somehow visibly leak into their work or professional communications, then you might have a case for complaint or concern.

You are just denying people their freedom of association. I personally wouldn't want to associate with a racist for the simple fact that he is a racist, no matter where they display their racism.

Sounds good - you're free to not associate. The original topic at hand was a code of conduct: this is forcing your "freedom of association" on to everyone else.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by ptorrone »

LoganDark wrote: post #493
ptorrone wrote: post #417

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disagree, and we are not autistic.

your writing style in particular fits with a lot of autistic people I've seen, FWIW. but I don't support using "autistic" as an insult (it's honestly the opposite, IMO)

the person said we are "autistic new york jews"

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by lsiq »

ptorrone wrote: post #552
lsiq wrote: post #551

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Adafruit is basically the best but their whole reside-in-NYC philosophy makes zero sense. The contention that they can hire better people in NYC holds no water because over 50% of what they pay their employees goes to 3 layers of governments with no meaningful benefit AND their people pay NYC rents. They could literally halve their prices or double their pay if they moved to Jacksonville or similar. And their employe…

not everyone who works at adafruit works in our industry city, brooklyn factory. we've been doing remote before it was a thing, you can check out our shows or ask before assuming the worst, but whatevers, you made up your mind and want us to move to florida.

I would love to use Adafruit boards in my production, but I have to resort to custom Chinese PCB stuff to be competitive. I don't want anything, but taxes and CoL is basic business logic.

SparkFun is in Colorado, which isn't a low tax state but their cost of living is still lower. So all else equals, they are going to earn maybe 5-10% more profit on the sale of a commodity item like a Teensy. You have better products than they do, all else equals you could earn 25%+ more than them, by simply moving to greener pastures, whether that be NC, TN, NV, or FL.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by quesera »

antonvs wrote: post #488
stickfigure wrote: post #400

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You whippersnappers! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. It’s like watching a discussion about who invented orcs, Terry Brooks or Terry Pratchett.

I don't mean to imply invention, just community ubiquity.

Obviously e.e. is the o.g. :)

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by quesera »

ted_dunning wrote: post #480
quesera wrote: post #401

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You know, I was trying to remember if anyone from Usenet did similarly, but I couldn't think of anyone. I was a bit post-Great Renaming into well post-Eternal September. And we may have followed different groups. The style arises spontaneously in isolated individuals and groups of course (at least since e. e. cummings!), but it was pervasive-to-universal on IRC and MUDs. I do wonder how it trickled into there though.…

I wrote in lower case on Usenet before the renaming. So there's one.

I think I did too, but it may have varied by newsgroup, and I wasn't particularly prolific.

I'm not sure whether I'm brave enough to search the archives for my own writing. :)

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by quesera »

georgemcbay wrote: post #452
quesera wrote: post #368

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Corroborating. It goes way back to the early 90s IRC and MUD cultures, from which many of us sprung. Limor came to the scene a bit later, but the culture was well-established. Most of us would code shift when writing in other milieux, some weaned ourselves off the habit when our work started interfacing with nonreceptive readers, and a few retained the affectation to make a statement (or an anti-statement!). It's amu…

> Limor came to the scene a bit later Not much later, I remember her hanging out in #hack in the '92-93 timeframe (first as lem0n then later as ladyada). She was like the "kid" of the channel regulars (which is an extremely relative designation because there were a lot of teenagers just a couple years older than her). I also remember her going to one of the 2600 meetings at the CambridgeSide Galleria that I went to w…

Sounds right. I was only an occasional attendee at the Galleria, but the timeline makes sense.

H.O.P.E. brings back memories though -- I was very uncertain that that Poland Springs jug would contain the explosives taped to the Clipper chip. I remember wishing I was sitting several rows further back for that moment. :)

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