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Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by Auracle »

somenameforme wrote: post #547

I wonder if YouTube is next; not just AI music, but videos. My recommendations are getting completely hijacked by AI generated garbage filled with comments complaining about the exact same thing. Ironically their algorithm is probably currently promoting that as 'engagement.' I see no way that this isn't greatly diminishing the overall 'value' of YouTube. At the minimum they're going to need to start downranking AI g…

I look at TikTok for a few minutes perhaps every six months or so. I did that a few weeks ago and it seemed like half of the stuff it was showing me were AI ring doorbell/dashcam/etc. type stuff.

I have nothing against AI - my computer is doing text-to-image training most nights. However, the kind of videos it was showing me are only entertaining if they’re real. I don’t care to see a fake dog scare away a fake bear from a kid, and I doubt others do either.

However, most people probably can’t tell and think it’s real. That’s only going to get worse. I don’t know where that leaves us.

Music? I’m not sure where I land.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by isolli »

lukevp wrote: post #225
drittich wrote: post #112

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Also a musician and I don't think it's that amusing. IMO this isn't an "AI can't be art" discussion. It's about the fact that AI can be used to extract value from other artists' work without consent, and then out-compete them on volume by flooding the marketplace.

And you create music without ever having heard music before? Or are you also extracting other artist’s work and using it as inspiration for what you do? AI music is the same as AI code. It’s derived from real code, but it’s not just regurgitated wholesale. You still as a person with taste have to guide it and provide inputs. Electronic music made it so you didn’t have to learn to play an instrument. Auto tune made it…

I think the analogy here is with Grok generating images of (real) people wearing bikini. It could always be done in Photoshop before (and with hand-made photo montages before that), but it's now accessible at scale to people with zero skill. That's when a quantitative change becomes qualitative.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by torginus »

patates wrote: post #122
te_chris wrote: post #91

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Yes. But shhhhh about cds, don’t want people to realise… Also the price of decent (Sony hifi grade, not ES) CD players used is great too.

Aren't CD players just reading digits? I'm not anywhere close to a hifi expert but it must be all about the DAC, no? Or do you mean the ones with a built-in DAC?

I've had a bad experience with this just a couple years ago. I have an old DVD/CD player which at some point I realized I had no way of connecting to my new TV. The old one was a decent looking premium unit, that I got from my parents (who paid good money for it),

The industry has collectively decided that since CDs/DVDs are just about converting digital bits into other bits deterministically, there's no value left to differentiate, and everyone started selling absolutely nasty plasticky junk.

The new Sony unit I got was a loud rattly garbage, that even though it did the things it needed to do, made such an awful noise that I had to take it back. The other one I got (don't remember the brand) was no better.

I took that one back too, and I shelved the issue, but it was kind of remarkably terrible experience for me.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by maomaomiumiu »

I think the real issue isn’t AI music itself, but transparency and incentives. If people know what they’re listening to and how it was made, they can decide for themselves. Problems start when AI-generated tracks are mixed into recommendations without clear labeling or context. A good song can still be a good song — but trust in the platform matters.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by trinix912 »

zerox7felf wrote: post #396
meindnoch wrote: post #337

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>I've spent many hours learning to play guitar and ukulele but I'm really not very good, and probably never will be - but I can hear the music in my head I want to create. I'm not interested in monetary gain at all, just being able to hear it for real and maybe share it with some people. Luckily there are hundreds of MIDI editor DAWs available. Open the piano roll, and write down the music note by note. Surely, it's…

If you are very good at music theory and have good pitch recognition absolutely, but that is a skill that takes quite a bit of effort to train.

If you just want to do a one off track for a party or something with AI sure go for it, but don't expect others to call you an artist.

Just like we don't call anyone who can use a microwave a chef. The chef may use a microwave, but they don't use it exclusively and they've spent the time to learn other tools and techniques.

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Post by jason_oster »

yowlingcat wrote: post #307
northzen wrote: post #251

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> It's about the fact that AI can be used to extract value from other artists' work without consent, and then out-compete them on volume by flooding the marketplace. What do you think about The Prodigy?

I didn't even think about the analogy to sampling (and the prior controversy) but that is an even better analogy. Ultimately, the different between what's creative re-use and what's a ripoff is a matter of how skillfully it's done and there's a lot of controversy in the middle!

https://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/

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Post by ZoomZoomZoom »

codexon wrote: post #536
JohnFen wrote: post #231

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Perhaps that's because there's an enormous difference between fine art and computer programs. Also, there's quite a lot of pushback against AI-generated code, but also because unlike music, normal people have no interest in and aren't aware of the code.

They are obviously different things, but aren't the people who spent thousands of hours honing their coding and releasing their code spending just as much time and effort if not more than the people who made non-ai images and music?

There certainly are. If you by chance imply equivalence based on time and effort spent, neither is the thing that differentiates arts, crafts and other activities.

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Post by narrowtux »

maomaomiumiu wrote: post #555

I think the real issue isn’t AI music itself, but transparency and incentives. If people know what they’re listening to and how it was made, they can decide for themselves. Problems start when AI-generated tracks are mixed into recommendations without clear labeling or context. A good song can still be a good song — but trust in the platform matters.

Everybody who cares about music will immediately turn off recommended music with AI. Of course they're not transparent about it.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by Semaphor »

eleventen wrote: post #119
olivierestsage wrote: post #16

Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stan…

Same for me! Switched to Bandcamp + Navidrome and have decided that one of my goals for the year is to find at least 2 albums per month I want to buy. I will shamelessly promote the bandcampsync [1] CLI tool for automating downloads of your bandcamp library and bandcamp-sync-flask [2] wrapper that I built so I could invoke it from the web on my phone after I buy an album. [1] https://github.com/meeb/bandcampsync [2]…

> find at least 2 albums per month I want to buy.

Maybe I should set that goal as well, for 2025 I had 120 ;)

Love bandcamp, love navidrome! And if you are on Android and don’t mind using closed source, paid (one-time) software, Symfonium is pretty much the best mobile player you can get for selfhosted streaming.

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