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Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by subpixel »

> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US

The American diet is insane, full stop. However, I've just begun a GLP-1 regimen to address a willpower problem, not a nutritional problem. I'm not quite young anymore and have given lots of other approaches a shot over the years, but have persistently failed to achieve a weight that is not a threat to my health.

So far, what being on a GLP-1 gives me is a steady state that most people probably find quite unremarkable: I don't crave a snack, and I don't thirst for alcohol. Both of those desires have had real control over me for a very long time.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by 93po »

cookiengineer wrote: post #230
notdang wrote: post #92

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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... Here are some first steps: Earlier this year, Conagra started labeling some of its Healthy Choice frozen meals with high protein and fiber as "GLP-1 friendly." A spokesperson said those meals are selling faster than rival products making similar claims on their packaging. The company plans to introduce new Healthy Choice recipes with the same labeling in…

How do citizens of the US tolerate this? I'm baffled how messed up the food industry in the US has gotten over the last decades. When I was in the US I remember ordering pancakes in the morning. Those pancakes for like 10 bucks lasted for the whole week because I couldn't stuff so much in my stomach. I also don't understand why everything, literally everything, is fried in oil. Good luck trying to get an actual healt…

i dont think nearly anyone in the US considers anything fried to be healthy.

i agree everything is very sugar-filled though, i think in part because of the misguided culture shift around everything needing to be fat free and manufacturers simply replaced fats with sugars

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by anon7000 »

subpixel wrote: post #551

> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US The American diet is insane, full stop. However, I've just begun a GLP-1 regimen to address a willpower problem, not a nutritional problem. I'm not quite young anymore and have given lots of other approaches a shot over the years, but have persistently failed to achieve a weight that is not a threat to my health.…

And crucially, many of those bad foods can be pretty addictive. They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more. So it’s not surprising many people struggle to change that habit when the food ecosystem is working against you. Junk food both tastes better and is easier to eat than home-cooking a very healthy meal. You’re not exactly set up for success here.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by a123b456c »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #448
insane_dreamer wrote: post #303

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That's not "a touch" misleading. It's very misleading.

Unless the title was changed, it says "average" which to me pretty clearly means it's measuring individual or household consumption

The question is what average; some people apparently view "in the US" as implying US population-level averages (which it does not explicitly imply), whereas authors report the average within adopting households, which for this study's data source, all happen to be in the US

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by buellerbueller »

rootusrootus wrote: post #397
nemomarx wrote: post #220

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I think durable habits there are just hard honestly. I was losing weight when I was very strict about calorie counting and lived with a roommate who was on the same diet, but when I moved out and stayed with family my habits and intuition about safe foods didn't last long and temptation got me again. It does make me think we're applying bandaids over some other issue with the available foods - it's hard to imagine th…

> it's hard to imagine that everyone 50 years ago was just much better about dieting and counting calories? Do we just have a lot more food available now? Not just bad food, but calories of all kinds? Combined with steadily automating nearly all of the hard work, I'm not surprised people get fatter these days than 50 years ago. I bet the average person today is actually much more aware of what healthy eating looks li…

Snacking (defined as between-meal eating) has had a massive uptrend (in the USA) since the 1970s:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10097271/#:~:text=S...

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by anon7000 »

foxyv wrote: post #484
cptcobalt wrote: post #473

> Notably, about one-third of users stopped taking the medication during the study period. This isn't always the patient's choice—my insurance/PBM (CVS Caremark) dropped coverage for the GLP-1 that I was taking (Zepbound) and had several rounds of prior-authorization shenanigans over a few months before they approved the previous-generation GLP-1, Wegovy. Now I've had to start the ramp-up of a different medication ag…

Insurance companies should have to refund your premium when they do this for the time period they are making a decision. It's gotten absurd how badly they are abusing patients.

Frankly, it should be considered fraud.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by 93po »

observationist wrote: post #297

How does this pass as science? There's no economic correction. They're making causal claims without identifying mechanisms. Self selection bias, self reporting, the people being polled are the type of people who answer polls. Massive conflicts of interest with one of the authors benefiting from the company collecting the data. They don't collect causal medical information, and cannot justify any of the causality clai…

it's frustrating how much the entire world operates this way. the only solution i've found is to close my laptop and spend less time on the internet reading these things. maybe my apathy isn't the best thing ever but it certainly makes me feel better to ignore the things i can't change

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by darkwater »

zahlman wrote: post #518
darkwater wrote: post #372

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Yep, totally agree. Point 3 is probably a bit moot with apples but applies to almost every vegetable out there. But IMO the best selling point for unhealthy, sugar-rich snacks is easy of storage. You go to the supermarket and can buy 1 month of snacks easily, you cannot do it with fruits.

I buy 3-pound bags of dried fruit all the time.

Dried fruits are not as good as fresh fruit though (and can be less palatable)

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by zahlman »

darkwater wrote: post #558
zahlman wrote: post #518

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I buy 3-pound bags of dried fruit all the time.

Dried fruits are not as good as fresh fruit though (and can be less palatable)

I don't think the evidence really supports the nutrition claim. The dehydration process might destroy certain vitamins at a chemical level, but those are extraordinarily cheap to replace (nobody in the developed world is at serious risk of deficiency disease) and the minerals aren't going anywhere as far as I'm aware. (Of course, our produce has lower mineral content than that of yesteryear, because of agriculture that prioritizes accumulating water and starch, and because of poor soil quality.) You just have to drink water along with them.

As for the taste, chacun a son gout, but I quite like them.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by XorNot »

rootusrootus wrote: post #392
whatshisface wrote: post #304

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I don't think it's natural (in the sense of defining health) for adequate homeostasis to require special rituals and constant attention.

Agreed 100%. I think if your strategy for maintaining a good diet relies on weighing food and counting every last calorie, you are inevitably going to fail. Something more fundamental, natural, habit forming, whatever -- that will be the right answer. Naturally trim people don't count calories to stay that way, either.

Look at the modern world and tell me where natural is supposed to fit in though?

I work a desk job in a knowledge work based society with consistent, reliable caloric abundance.

The body doesn't know it's not on the African plains and needing to bank the current bounty because who knows when it'll eat next.

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