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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by anal_reactor »

I'm sure there are popular Italian websites behind CloudFlare. Say, train tickets. Probably not, but just for the sake of the argument.

1. Order comes to block address 69.69.69.69 within 30 minutes

2. Quickly switch Trenitalia to 69.69.69.69. Which is fine, because CloudFlare probably doesn't promise you any specific IP address, so they can assign them from the pool as they please.

3. Block 69.69.69.69.

4. In the whole country everyone who tries to buy a train ticket or check the schedule sees "train service doesn't work because football, please try again after the match", effectively paralyzing public transport.

5. Average Giuseppe learns about the ridiculousness of the situation and gets upset.

6. The government suddenly has to explain to the people what happened. They cannot pin the blame on CloudFlare (as per current fine), so the only remaining scapegoat is the football association.

7. The entire bus stands up clapping.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by oaiey »

betaby wrote: post #350
gibbsnich wrote: post #202

If american corps do not want to play according to European rules: go ahead, just stop doing business in Europe. Europe will be fine! Understand that there are other things than the US‘s commercial interests even though it seems ATM that’s everything the US is: commercial interests. On the east, on the west: Wake up!

> Europe will be fine! Unfortunately, no. Europe is not fine and won't be fine anytime soon. CloudFlare's situation is one of the cases.

Doing business is different in the EU as it is different in China or Russia. If you want it to be not different, work in globalization not America first.

Europe was fine until it got disrupted by Russia and the US. But that has nothing to do with this topic here. This is just a company not following a local law. Nothing special in the law (it is shitty like any IP law) or the case here.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by Dansvidania »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #327
npodbielski wrote: post #35

"EU shadow cabal" funny considering that he then mentions running for help to US politicians.

You can accuse the US politicians of a lot but hiding in the shadows is probably the last thing you can say about the current USA administration.

you mean because they get found out, not because they don't try?

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by Dansvidania »

grayhatter wrote: post #13

I do appreciate reading a PR, from a CEO, that's not unsalvageably tone deaf. At the first half, I was wondering what the point of this was, given if Italy thinks this is something they're allowed to apply across the globe. That instantly makes this a political issue they probably need to be talking to the State Department about. Then I got to the 2nd half, and was impressed that I wasn't immediately annoyed by the a…

no offense, but this seems to me like a tantrum. I'd say a far cry from rhetoric, let alone a masterclass.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by adastra22 »

oytis wrote: post #492
Alupis wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do when the fine is more than double your annual revenue in the foreign nation, has international and geopolitical implications, impacts many other US businesses, could harm foreign relations, and will harm regular US citizens. That's exactly the type of thing the Executive Branch is supposed to deal with.

Executive branch is supposed to deal with other countries' laws and courts? Does it also hold for European executive branches and American laws? I don't want to even imagine a world that works like this.

It’s called diplomacy.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by pixl97 »

burkaman wrote: post #495
pixl97 wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The right to vote doesn't exist because you didn't have to defeat the entire army to vote against their leader, I would say you're wrong. The right to vote does exist because men rose up together and fought leaders that wouldn't let them vote. And, when leaders rise up that take our right to vote and we don't stop them they will prevail. > it's just that everyone on the planet with a weapon has coincidentally decid…

I am not saying it's impossible for rights to be taken away, I am arguing against this statement: > If you can't defend yourself against that then you have no rights. I do not own a gun and I have no fighting skills, so I cannot defend myself against men with guns. Would you agree that I therefore have no rights? I think that you and the original poster are seeing the situation "you are vulnerable to potentially losi…

>Would you agree that I therefore have no rights?

You have the right to vote, if you lose that right, and you don't have a gun after that you have whatever 'rights' that are provided to you by a dictator.

One of the things you're missing here is the idea of herd immunity. While you won't fight for your rights, theoretically someone else will making taking your rights dangerous. Once enough people won't fight for their rights, or enough of the population gathers together to take your rights, you lose your rights.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by asgeesg »

bakies wrote: post #106
simianparrot wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry, this time it's the Social Democrats who ban books, it's _totally_ different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_Sta... > Participants: Republican lawmakers in red states oh weird, it's the opposite of what you said.

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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by asgeesg »

Hamuko wrote: post #418
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can accuse the US politicians of a lot but hiding in the shadows is probably the last thing you can say about the current USA administration.

Isn't this the same government that started a secret war against Venezuela without any authorization?

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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by adastra22 »

troyvit wrote: post #365
bflesch wrote: post #11

Not a good look on that guy to list his "pro-bono" services and threaten to pull them while asking JD Vance for his help. How is he expecting the Milano-Cortina 2026 Winter Olympics to influence some representative of media right holders who have fined Cloudflare? Is he assuming that just because all of the listed things are Italian they can just make the fine go away?

I'm a team lead in an American organization that relies heavily on Cloudflare's Project Galileo[1], and I read that post with growing dread. My first thought was that this guy doesn't sound very much like a CEO. Let me rephrase that: He sounds like the kind of unhinged CEO of orgs I try to stay away from (X, for instance). Then I read what you're talking about: > [...] we are considering the following actions: [...]…

When you fine a company more than the entire revenue they get from your nation, they will pull out. It is not retributive. What is hard to understand about that?
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