My guess is that it is just chatgpt tuned to give the advice that gives the lowest possible liability to openai.
Get ready to learn about the food pyramid, folks.
ChatGPT Health
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> The proper decorum here is if the doctor made the wrong diagnosis. All fees and causal charges made by the doctor must be fully refunded and paid for. It’s only fair given the premium they were originally given to make a false diagnosis. Do you think it would be better to live in a world with no doctors? You can already live in that world if you want. Thanks to doctors, millions of people around the world no longer…
I hate this bs where someone tries to defeat my point by making it one dimensional. Do we want to live in a world with no doctors? Do you think humans are such simpletons that you need to immediately go there in order to break down the argument for me?
I think the world would be better if becoming a doctor wasn’t tied up with financial incentives and prestige. Lower the bar of becoming a doctor so the fees aren’t astronomically high. Also there would be more doctors so we don’t suffer from the glut of supply we currently do. Also more doctors means more competition so that automatically ups quality and accuracy of treatment.
Every doctor needs a rotten tomato score plastered on their lab coat by law. That number needs to be rooted in metrics not vibes. How many misdiagnosis he made how many times he lost a lawsuit for malpractice. All of that would make the world a better place.
> Everyone in my family has either had their life saved, or saved from ruin, by a doctor at one point or another.
There are 800000k patients who die or are seriously injured by a misdiagnosis every year. Show gratitude for the doctors who saved your family… but gratitude for the profession in general? My gratitude is much lower in the general case.
Re: ChatGPT Health
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Is this any worse than Google? Seems like the same business model.
Does Google have your medical records? It doesn't have mine.
They tried to at one point with "google health". They are still somewhat trying to get that information with the fitbit acquisition.
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#554No. Absolutely not. The government owes its people a certain duty of care to say “just because you can doesn’t mean you should.”
LLM’s are good for advice 95% of the time, and soon that’ll be 99%. But it is not the job of OpenAI or any LLM creator to determine the rules of what good healthcare looks like.
It is the job of the government.
We have certification rules in place for a reason. And until we can figure out how to independently certify these quasi-counselor robots to some degree of safety, it’s absolutely out of the question to release this on the populace.
We may as well say “actually, counseling degrees are meaningless. Anyone can charge as a therapist. And if they verifiably recommend a path of self-harm, they should not be held responsible.”
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#555I personally don’t care who has access to my health data, but I understand those who might. Either way, I’m excited for some actual innovation in the personal health field. Apple Health is more about aggregating data than actually producing actionable insights. 23andme was mostly useless. Today I have a ChatGPT project with my health history as a system prompt and it’s been very helpful. Recently I snapped a photo of…
I was going to be mad at this, but I remember our doctors are already using it without our consent
Your doctor is bound by HIPAA, you could consider doing something about it. OpenAI may not be bound by HIPAA so your available recourse is lesser.
Re: ChatGPT Health
#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The proper decorum here is if the doctor made the wrong diagnosis. All fees and causal charges made by the doctor must be fully refunded and paid for. It’s only fair given the premium they were originally given to make a false diagnosis. Do you think it would be better to live in a world with no doctors? You can already live in that world if you want. Thanks to doctors, millions of people around the world no longer…
I hate this bs where someone tries to defeat my point by making it one dimensional. Do we want to live in a world with no doctors? Do you think humans are such simpletons that you need to immediately go there in order to break down the argument for me? I think the world would be better if becoming a doctor wasn’t tied up with financial incentives and prestige. Lower the bar of becoming a doctor so the fees aren’t ast…
> There are 800000k patients who die or are seriously injured by a misdiagnosis every year.
Yes, I once sat in a recovery room with my Mom after she had been given too much propofol during an endoscopy. Despite the fact that her breathing was labored, the clinic she was at didn't want to do anything so I called 911. I'm not sure what happened, but I can see that side of your point. I did learn to be much more careful about how I saw to my parents medical care after that.
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#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. It’s the same play with their browser. They are building the most comprehensive data profile on their users and people are paying them to do it.
Is this any worse than Google? Seems like the same business model.
There are lots of companies that do this. Doesn't make it right.
The real "evil" here is that companies like Meta, Google, and now OpenAI sell people a product or service that the customer thinks is the full transaction. I search with Google, they show me ads - that's the transaction. I pay for Chatgpt, it helps me understand XYZ - that's the transaction.
But it isn't. You give them your data and they sell it - that's the transaction. And that obscurity is not ethical in my opinion.
Re: ChatGPT Health
#558No. Absolutely not. The government owes its people a certain duty of care to say “just because you can doesn’t mean you should.” LLM’s are good for advice 95% of the time, and soon that’ll be 99%. But it is not the job of OpenAI or any LLM creator to determine the rules of what good healthcare looks like. It is the job of the government. We have certification rules in place for a reason. And until we can figure out h…
These doctors? Credentialed and all? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_c7CcVspfI
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I've heard a lot of such anecdotes. I'm not saying its ill-intentioned, but the skeptic in me is cautious that this is the type of reasoning which propels the anti-vax movement. I wish / hope the medical community will address stories like this before people lose trust in them entirely. How frequent are mis-diagnosis like this? How often is "user research" helping or hurting the process of getting good health outcome…
> I wish / hope the medical community will address stories like this before people lose trust in them entirely. Too late for me. I have a similar story. ChatGPT helped me diagnose an issue which I had been suffering with my whole life. I'm a new person now. GPs don't have the time to spend hours investigating symptoms for patients. ChatGPT can provide accurate diagnoses in seconds. These tools should be in wide use t…
For every one "ChatGPT accurately diagnosed my weird disease" anecdote, how many cases of "ChatGPT hallucinated obvious bullshit we ignored" are there? 100? 10,000? We'll never know, because nobody goes online to write about the failure cases.
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I also don't know. Additional point to consider: vast majority of doctors have no clue about Bayes theorem.
I work in biomed. Every textbook on epidemiology or medical statistics that I've picked up has had a section on Bayes, so I'm not inclined to believe this.
Here is research about doctors interpreting test results. It seems to favor GP's view that many doctors struggle to weigh test specificity and sensitivity vs disease base rate.
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/5/7/e008155.full.pdf