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Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by hahahahhaah »

samrus wrote: post #15

As someone with psoriotic arthritis, this is just my diet (plus avoiding gluten) and honestly following it has made me feel alot better even aside from preventing the psoriosis Good initiative from the government, i wouldnt have expected them to do something that messes with junk food corporations profits like this

I am not sure it messes with their profits at all.

For comparison think about smoking. Imagine a government 70s ad that says "As a nation we are now not smoking and showed people enjoying themselves without a cigatette", but in addition cigatettes carry on being sold anyway. The addiction wins.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by zamadatix »

susiecambria wrote: post #514

There are so many things wrong with this website and the underlying arguments, assertions, etc., as others have pointed out, I will simply say that according to https://www.accessibilitychecker.org , the site is not compliant. Which doesn't surprise me in the least, but it is a good reminder that this is not a serious administration.

If only HN would look at this too.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by jdlshore »

weslleyskah wrote: post #265
jdlshore wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says 1.2-1.6 grams of protein and healthy fats per kilogram of body weight, from animal and plant sources (including milk). Is that really advocating for more meat?

This can be an outrageous amount for a normal individual. These proportions are used for bodybuilders and powerlifters. And even then this rule is not perfect because of individual genetics, metabolism rates, activity level, percentage of lean mass, etc. Americans (US citizens) really do eat a lot. What the hell

I think most commenters are missing two things:

1. It’s proteins and fats, not just protein. The site specifically calls out avocado as an example.

2. It’s from meat and vegetable sources. Other commenters have mentioned that you get more protein from non-meat sources than you expect.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by tootie »

diegocg wrote: post #320
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #191

For all the lunacy of RFK this somehow is actually a really good set of guidelines? Certainly better than the previous version. I didn't expect that to be honest.

I'm surprised that governments didn't take this problem more seriously. Obesity is a huge problem, people have been ignoring it only because improvements in medicine have been offsetting the general health decline. Without the medical improvements that save the life of obese people, life expectancy would have decreased. I don't expect the Trump administration to make the best decisions but at least they are taking it…

Republicans were actively angry at past attempts to fight obesity or limit sugar.

There is another side to the nutrition recommendations beyond pure nutrition and that's economics. Pro business Republicans were loathe to anger big food producers.

On the flip side, this new food guide is now advocating a diet that is far more expensive for average consumers at a time when food inflation is already hurting so many households.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by [deleted] »

notatoad wrote: post #354
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #191

For all the lunacy of RFK this somehow is actually a really good set of guidelines? Certainly better than the previous version. I didn't expect that to be honest.

from what i can tell, most of this is existing stuff that advocates have been trying to push for a while now. i think it's a perfect example of why advocates for any policy should have specific, achievable, and well-documented goals - you never know who might be an ally. politicians don't want to do this sort of detailed work, they're looking for preexisting policy they can champion, and if you're standing there read…

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Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by lithocarpus »

dmschulman wrote: post #230
bruceb wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure partisan spite. The gov't not spending money on candy and sugary drinks is good. Just like when Michelle Obama pushed for better school lunches.

When Michelle Obama pushed for better school lunches she was excoriated for trying to get healthier foods into the hands of children. Glenn Beck's response was "Get your damn hands off my fries, lady. If I want to be a fat, fat, fatty and shovel French fries all day long, that is my choice!". Seems partisan spite cuts both ways. I'm glad to see this announcement and despite the leadership in Washington right now I do…

Partisan spite does cut both ways and should be seen as such and ignored on either side.

Regarding fat I think "eat real whole unprocessed food" is a simple way to cover it. These guideliness recommend using less added fat including avoiding deep frying, and if one must use fat to use a minimally processed (i.e. pressed or rendered) form like olive oil or coconut oil or butter or animal fat. Though they failed to mention the distinction between refined and unrefined olive oil - today much of it is refined i.e. highly processed.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by iteria »

AstroBen wrote: post #434
sdo72 wrote: post #324

I don't think it's even about low carb vs. high protein to begin with. Many countries and regions in the world are fine with a high-carb diet, and people there live long, healthy lives. Americans eat so much processed food simply because it is much cheaper than fresh food. Processed food is made to get consumers addicted (through convenience, taste, etc.) and encourage them to consume much more. Fresh food is almost…

> Americans eat so much processed food simply because it is much cheaper than fresh food. I don't understand how people come to this conclusion Beans/grains/legumes are cheap Frozen veg is dirt cheap (and retains its nutrition as good as, or better than fresh). In-season fruit and veg Which foods are more expensive? People are door-dashing their salaries away and complaining about the price of fresh food... Convenien…

You are assuming access to a grocery store. Disproportionately poor people live in food deserts and have to rely on dollar stores and other things where fruit and vegetables are expensive.

Also, if you are busy single person, basically anything not shelf stable is expensive because you have to buy it in high quantities and it will go to waste if you are not skilled at storage. I, a mature adult, know how to store things, but as a younger person things went to rot a lot from inexperience.

Then there is prep. I spent literally all day on sunday just preparing food for the week. It's about 10-12 hours. That's what 2 hours a day to cook during the week. I have lied to myself and said, "oh, I'll cook something" and then eaten out all day from being busy or being exhausted. To save money stuff I could jam into the microwave was cheaper.

This is how you get there. I cook from fresh vegetables all the time now, but I have the time and energy for it. That just wasn't true at all when I was younger.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by adzm »

thephyber wrote: post #549
woodruffw wrote: post #236

Of note: the US's per capita consumption of meat has increased by more than 100 pounds over the last century[1]. We now consume an immense amount of meat per person in this country. That increase is disproportionately in poultry, but we also consume more beef[2]. A demand for the average American to eat more meat would have to explain, as a baseline, why our already positive trend in meat consumption isn't yielding p…

There’s a restaurant in Las Vegas, the Heart Attack Grill, which sarcastically plays on this trope. > It has become internationally famous for embracing and promoting an unhealthy diet of incredibly large hamburgers. Customers are referred to as "patients," orders as "prescriptions," and the waitresses as "nurses." All those who weigh over 350 pounds are invited to unlimited free food provided they weigh themselves o…

Real sugar Coca-Cola is delicious though, and while this may just be a personal anecdote, real sugar soda always makes me feel full and satiated, while I've been able to drink several cans of corn syrup soda in a sitting before, I can't imagine doing that with several cans of real sugar soda. The calories are pretty much the same!

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by tomjakubowski »

omgJustTest wrote: post #243
jdlshore wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says 1.2-1.6 grams of protein and healthy fats per kilogram of body weight, from animal and plant sources (including milk). Is that really advocating for more meat?

90g of protein, what is recommended for me, is like 4 hamburgers or a 16oz steak per day ...

People, even meat-eaters, tend to get much of their protein intake from the long tail of non-meat foods they consume. Lots of foods (especially grains and legumes) have a little bit of protein, and that adds up.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by roncesvalles »

AstroBen wrote: post #434
sdo72 wrote: post #324

I don't think it's even about low carb vs. high protein to begin with. Many countries and regions in the world are fine with a high-carb diet, and people there live long, healthy lives. Americans eat so much processed food simply because it is much cheaper than fresh food. Processed food is made to get consumers addicted (through convenience, taste, etc.) and encourage them to consume much more. Fresh food is almost…

> Americans eat so much processed food simply because it is much cheaper than fresh food. I don't understand how people come to this conclusion Beans/grains/legumes are cheap Frozen veg is dirt cheap (and retains its nutrition as good as, or better than fresh). In-season fruit and veg Which foods are more expensive? People are door-dashing their salaries away and complaining about the price of fresh food... Convenien…

You're absolutely right but Americans don't consider rice + legumes (the standard international poverty meal) to be a "real meal" like the rest of the world.

In general the American diet is very meat-based. Once you hold meat as constant, you realize that fast-food or ultraprocessed food are the cheapest way to get a meat-based meal. E.g. McDonald's is probably the cheapest way to buy a hot meal containing beef (and it used to be even cheaper, you could add fries+coke for just 50c in the past). A lot of poor Americans eat hotdog sausages, microwave meals etc just to get some kind of meat even if it's low quality.

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