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Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by bluecalm »

esafak wrote: post #316
shiroiuma wrote: post #314

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Yeah, but they're already gone, and you can only milk them for so much. Businesses and governments are a totally different matter: they're not going to switch to the alternatives no matter what, so MS could make a lot more profit by jacking up their prices massively. $10,000 per user per year is totally doable I think.

Governments in Europe are increasingly ditching Microsoft, goaded by souring relations between the continents.

I really hope that happens but I see those announcement as negotiating tactics. Switching will cost a lot (in training, unavoidable delays and mistakes etc.) and both parties will have incentives to go back to good old days.

I hope I am wrong on this. I hate that public infrastructure and bureaucracy runs on Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by adl »

dijit wrote: post #421
GCUMstlyHarmls wrote: post #419

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Is there a reason to use this over LibreOffice? I had until this year a pretty old machine (~11-12 years old at time of replacement, upper midrange at time of purchase) and I never felt like it was slow -- possibly because everything was slow on that machine though and I was stuck in a forest...

LibreOffice definitely feels sluggish. I give it a pass because it's doing complicated things, it's free software and I also temper my expectations slightly because it's a Java GUI application (and I expect those to be slow). I would certainly not expect it to be more performant than Office '97.

LibreOffice may be slow, but is UI is not build in Java, 90+% of LibreOffice is built on C++.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by Oleksa_dr »

hu3 wrote: post #182
Oleksa_dr wrote: post #166

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Power Query + Power Pivot + M. I don't use formulas in cells. The sheets are just a canvas for Pivot Tables, final tables, and charts connected to the data from Power Query and Pivot. I deal with hundreds of API integrations involving various JSON, CSV, TSV, and XML files with mixed validity. My workflow: Notepad++ for a visual check -> Prototype everything in Excel. I give users a "visual", connect it to real data,…

Interesting. I'm not experienced in data cleaning. About Python vs Excel: Isn't manual cleanning of data in Excel prone to permanent error? Because: - it's hard to version control/diff - it's done by a human fat fingering spreadsheet cells - it's not reproducible. Like if you need to redo the cleaning of all the dates, in a Python script you could just fix the data parsing part and rerun the script to parse source ag…

> - it's hard to version control/diff As I mentioned, this is only prototyping. After that, we move on to implementation in code, knowing what we want to see in the end and understanding the nuances of the data itself.

> - it's done by a human fat fingering spreadsheet cells No one is entering anything into the cells, please reread the message.

> - it's not reproducible. Like if you need to redo the cleaning of all the dates, in a Python script you could just fix the data parsing part and rerun the script to parse source again. And you can easily control changes with git And that's what I said above. That it takes longer. Why use git/python when I can do it in a few clicks and quickly see a visual representation at every step?

> In practice I think the speed tradeoff could be worth the ocasional mistake. But it would depend on the field I guess. Another sentence that shows once again that you haven't read what was written.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by b3lvedere »

crazygringo wrote: post #506
b3lvedere wrote: post #454

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"it makes financial sense to go all-in and use as much as possible." .. until it doesn't. There is a very good reason why switching away from M365 is almost impossible. There is a very good reason why Microsoft offers free consultancy for a while if you just keep using M365. Microsoft has made the world dependent on them. They are one of the biggest corporations that use drug lord tactics to keep its users. The Europ…

> drug lord tactics to keep its users. What on earth are you talking about? Companies switch from MS to Google Workspace all the time. It's a huge logistical challenge, not because of anything Microsoft does, but just because they're different systems and migrating data and processes is inherently hard.

https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-white-house-off...

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by crazygringo »

b3lvedere wrote: post #554
crazygringo wrote: post #506

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> drug lord tactics to keep its users. What on earth are you talking about? Companies switch from MS to Google Workspace all the time. It's a huge logistical challenge, not because of anything Microsoft does, but just because they're different systems and migrating data and processes is inherently hard.

https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-white-house-off...

OK, now I understand what you're saying.

You used the wrong metaphor though... those are drug dealer tactics.

Drug lord tactics are about how to e.g. murder the leaders of a rival drug gang to gain market share, or diversify supply routes and methods in case the feds figure out one of them.

So you can understand my confusion about what you were trying to say about Microsoft... :P

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by b3lvedere »

crazygringo wrote: post #555
b3lvedere wrote: post #554

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https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-white-house-off...

OK, now I understand what you're saying. You used the wrong metaphor though... those are drug dealer tactics. Drug lord tactics are about how to e.g. murder the leaders of a rival drug gang to gain market share, or diversify supply routes and methods in case the feds figure out one of them. So you can understand my confusion about what you were trying to say about Microsoft... :P

I apologize for the confusion and stand corrected

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

crazygringo wrote: post #532
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #520

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> Companies switch from MS to Google Workspace all the time. To my knowledge, Google is a worse "data kraken" than Microsoft, so companies are very hesitant to switch to Google; in the companies' opinion such a switch would be a switch from "bad" to "horrific".

I don't know what you're basing any of that on. I've never heard of such a thing. Like, on the lists of enterprise pros and cons of migrating from MS365 to Workspace, I've never once heard of that.

> I don't know what you're basing any of that on. I've never heard of such a thing.

Basically everybody in Germany calls Google (and other companies that spy immensely on users) a "Datenkrake" (data kraken)

> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenkrake

According to dict.cc "data kraken" is the English translation of "Datenkrake".

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by crazygringo »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #557
crazygringo wrote: post #532

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I don't know what you're basing any of that on. I've never heard of such a thing. Like, on the lists of enterprise pros and cons of migrating from MS365 to Workspace, I've never once heard of that.

> I don't know what you're basing any of that on. I've never heard of such a thing. Basically everybody in Germany calls Google (and other companies that spy immensely on users) a "Datenkrake" (data kraken) > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenkrake According to dict.cc "data kraken" is the English translation of "Datenkrake".

OK, so that's a pop culture thing in Germany, that's interesting.

But the idea that Google Workspace is somehow worse than Microsoft 365 doesn't seem to be supported by any evidence as far as I'm aware of, though.

And if you actually look at paid Workspace terms, Google never looks at or uses your corporate data, and there are tons of internal controls over that. Obviously, tons of companies (including companies who compete with certain Google products) would otherwise never trust or use Google.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by no_carrier »

amanzi wrote: post #240

Here in NZ, pretty much all medium/large businesses and govt departments have gone all-in with M365. Most govt departments are on the E5 licence, and have also started to roll out the Copilot licences too. The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. It's not just using a different version of Excel and Word - that's the least of the issues. It's all the data stored in SharePoin…

There was a time in the 90s when quite a number of governments were aware of this Microsoft problem and insisted on open formats, so that important govt records and data could be open down the track. It seems like all of that was forgotten and traded for 'convenience'.

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

crazygringo wrote: post #558
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #557

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> I don't know what you're basing any of that on. I've never heard of such a thing. Basically everybody in Germany calls Google (and other companies that spy immensely on users) a "Datenkrake" (data kraken) > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenkrake According to dict.cc "data kraken" is the English translation of "Datenkrake".

OK, so that's a pop culture thing in Germany, that's interesting. But the idea that Google Workspace is somehow worse than Microsoft 365 doesn't seem to be supported by any evidence as far as I'm aware of, though. And if you actually look at paid Workspace terms, Google never looks at or uses your corporate data, and there are tons of internal controls over that. Obviously, tons of companies (including companies who…

> OK, so that's a pop culture thing in Germany, that's interesting.

I wouldn't associate Datenkrake with anyhting related to "pop culture" (in the sense I see the word "pop cultural" used by US-Americans like for currently popular celebrities, movies, songs, ...), but rather as "part of daily life"; perhaps a little bit "subcultural" and using this word sends a rather clear signal on how your stance on privacy topics is.

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