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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by lan321 »

overfeed wrote: post #159
lan321 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my eyes it's more so that we don't care in that sense. My friend group is mostly just keeping in mind that they might have to dip to another country/continent at some point, maybe, unlikely though. I'm pretty sure everyone I know would rather get imprisoned than go die in the mud to protect property they don't own, on the orders of a government that doesn't care about the same things they care about. When we talk…

If the relationship with America deteriorates, which countries do you think will accept European refugees? Your friends may have to stay and fight not out of patriotism, but necessity. In a total-war scenario, even prisoners will find themselves contributing to thr war effort.

We all have relatives all over the place, many have multiple passports/citizenships, most are well educated and/or make good money, most speak 3+ languages.. It'll work out. Countries take in refugees with much different cultures and lower education in the hopes of adding to their workforce. Someone will gladly take us.

I'm guessing in the worst case South America/AU/NZ/JP/UAE/Canada would be the goals.

The only real risk I see is essentially waiting too long and getting detained right as they begin to close off the borders for people of fighting age.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

pretext-1 wrote: post #541
xmcqdpt2 wrote: post #499

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s sanctions evasion and those companies will be very wary in providing services to any close family of a sanctioned person. My guess is that these people’s SOs, children and their SOs are similarly banned, and that siblings, parents and “close associates” have to provide way more documentation when opening bank accounts than you and I.

Pretty sure the news coverage would have mentioned that if that was the case.

I found the original source (the letter written by the judge) here

https://www.union-syndicale-magistrats.org/sanctions-america...

In it he specifically mentions that family cannot buy stuff for you because that is a crime if they are in the US or are US nationals, and that your direct family is banned from entering the US (p 4). He does not specifically state whether his family are sanctioned or not but he says that is a risk when he talks in general terms on page 7 about the impacts of the sanctions regime for other judges. Perhaps he is simply not married himself.

Either way, for some reason the news coverage didn’t include these parts of the letter, maybe they didn’t read the whole thing.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by saalweachter »

_djo_ wrote: post #509
insane_dreamer wrote: post #474

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> any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too unless you're Cuba, or Vietnam, or Nicaragua, or Chile, and the list goes on but yes, in theory you're right; in practice history shows that if they are small and powerless then they cannot, not without consequences

Cuba I have addressed. The US was invited into South Vietnam to help defend them against an invasion from North Vietnam. We can debate the morality of the resulting war, which was questionable, but it was not a US invasion. The US invasion of Nicaragua was in 1912, long before the modern post-WWII era of stronger international law. Chile was not invaded by the US. If these are the examples you have, you don’t have a…

Pardon me, you have gotten yourself dragged into a tu quoque defense of Russia.

It is best not to engage in these arguments, because they are almost never conducted in good faith.

The goal is partially to make the claim that "the US is just as bad/worse, therefore, Russia is acting morally/logically/blamelessly", but primarily to simply turn the conversation into one where you are defending everything the US has ever done wrong, instead of discussing whatever Russia is currently doing, which is where the bad faith comes in.

If you do feel compelled to engage, I recommend at most acknowledging whatever the US did previously, before pivoting back to discussing the actual current situation. Otherwise, you're playing into the strategy.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

dang wrote: post #530
1234letshaveatw wrote: post #422

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It's not an "interesting framing", it's bog-standard boring: HN has guidelines for commenting and you broke them. You may be falling into the common error of assuming that the moderation comment expresses an opposing opinion about the topic you care about*, but in fact it has zero to do with this, except insofar as when the topic is divisive, there is an additional guideline: " Comments should get more thoughtful and…

It's hard to to not have that misconception when it appears that moderation comments are selectively communicated

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by hearsathought »

dragontamer wrote: post #531
hearsathought wrote: post #521

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> it's about slowing them down in a task we believe that they can do. But it's not slowing them down. It's forcing them to accelerate development ( aka investing more into the sector ). Has china invested more or less? It's amazing how blind people are to this counterintuitive fact.

Oh, and your plan is to just give them the chips they want directly? Of course investing into chip development is slowing China down. Its slower to build their own than for us to give them those chips.

> Oh, and your plan is to just give them the chips they want directly?

"Give them"? I love sneaky propagandists. No, make them pay for it. It's what we do to our "allies" so that they are dependent on american tech.

> Of course investing into chip development is slowing China down.

From a myopic narrow point of view. But viewed more broadly, it has accelerated china's tech development.

> Its slower to build their own than for us to give them those chips.

In the short term, but not the long term. Just like banning china from participating in the international space station forced china to accelerate their development of their space program.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

judahmeek wrote: post #473
tracker1 wrote: post #355

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I don't think the US is underestimating China... I do think that the US is preemptively shoring up a domestic posture against long term changes. It would be a pretty bad strategy to continue to outsource everything and continue to see a massive trade imbalance with the outside world for a prolonged period of time.

> It would be a pretty bad strategy to continue to outsource everything and continue to see a massive trade imbalance with the outside world for a prolonged period of time. It's not actually a strategy at all. It's the organic result of being the global reserve currency. Foreigners want American dollars so that they can trade with everyone else and are incentivized to do whatever it takes to get it. Also, the "massiv…

It’s not even just the flow of services Trump is ignoring: an iPhone is made in China but the design and software is done in the USA, most of the parts come from other countries, most of an iPhone’s value isn’t originating from China.

Trump wants us to give up high value jobs in designing hardware and software so we can make less working in factories again.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by quotz »

saalweachter wrote: post #553
_djo_ wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cuba I have addressed. The US was invited into South Vietnam to help defend them against an invasion from North Vietnam. We can debate the morality of the resulting war, which was questionable, but it was not a US invasion. The US invasion of Nicaragua was in 1912, long before the modern post-WWII era of stronger international law. Chile was not invaded by the US. If these are the examples you have, you don’t have a…

Pardon me, you have gotten yourself dragged into a tu quoque defense of Russia. It is best not to engage in these arguments, because they are almost never conducted in good faith. The goal is partially to make the claim that "the US is just as bad/worse, therefore, Russia is acting morally/logically/blamelessly", but primarily to simply turn the conversation into one where you are defending everything the US has ever…

My argument is that Russia was compelled to attack both Georgia and Ukraine because of NATO expansion, or rather preventing NATO expansion, not because of "Putin is crazy, wants to be a Tsar".

Your argument is that Russia wants to occupy territory just for the sake of expanding Russia, which is really not logical or reasonable.

My argument is that if Mexico or Canada joined a military pact with Russia, the US would invade those countries immediately.

Your argument is that any country can join a mutually defence pact without any consequences, as should be the case for Ukraine.

Is this correct?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by tracker1 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #556
judahmeek wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be a pretty bad strategy to continue to outsource everything and continue to see a massive trade imbalance with the outside world for a prolonged period of time. It's not actually a strategy at all. It's the organic result of being the global reserve currency. Foreigners want American dollars so that they can trade with everyone else and are incentivized to do whatever it takes to get it. Also, the "massiv…

It’s not even just the flow of services Trump is ignoring: an iPhone is made in China but the design and software is done in the USA, most of the parts come from other countries, most of an iPhone’s value isn’t originating from China. Trump wants us to give up high value jobs in designing hardware and software so we can make less working in factories again.

No... not everyone is capable of doing hardware or software design... There are over 350 million people in the US. There are nowhere near that many software/hardware jobs.. or other IP generating jobs. Not only that, but corporations are bringing in a lot of people to do those jobs as well, driving down those wages.

It's not even just jobs, it's also the tax revenue itself.. the population is overburdened with taxes and increased prices combined with relatively lower wages due to excessive inflation the past few years. While tariffs can increase prices, they can also eat into the margins of foreign production leading to more insourcing of jobs.

Beyond those aspects is being able to handle production of critical infrastructure in times of supply constraints... such as war or a global pandemic. You can increase from 50% production of medications to 100% of domestic needs pretty easily, but scaling from 0% is almost impossible in any reasonable time frame.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by dang »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #554
dang wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an "interesting framing", it's bog-standard boring: HN has guidelines for commenting and you broke them. You may be falling into the common error of assuming that the moderation comment expresses an opposing opinion about the topic you care about*, but in fact it has zero to do with this, except insofar as when the topic is divisive, there is an additional guideline: " Comments should get more thoughtful and…

It's hard to to not have that misconception when it appears that moderation comments are selectively communicated

Yes, that's true.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by int_19h »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #293
nwellnhof wrote: post #267

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> It's not that Russia had nukes in Ukraine and withdrew them. Russia is the single legal successor of the USSR, so all Soviet nukes became Russian nukes, regardless where they were located. So after the USSR broke up, Russia did have nukes in Ukraine and withdrew them.

To be fair, Russia becoming the single successor of the USSR wasn't a foregone conclusion in the early 1990s. There wasn't relevant precedent of a country dissolving I think -- Yugoslavia was still battling it out, Austria-Hungary was too long ago.

It was an explicit decision by both CIS and UN. Russia took USSR's seat on UNSC two weeks after USSR was dissolved, and that happened in 1991. Budapest Memorandum was negotiated 3 years later, by which time this was already a firmly established thing.
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