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I can't say my public school experience was great, I was bullied and didn't really click with the popular kids, but being around a cross section of actual American kids in my age group (my school district mixed middle class with lower class neighborhoods) helped me shape my worldview and learn to deal with people who didn't look or talk like me. I frequently saw fights, so I learned that you just stay away and watch…

The public school experience in the U.S. depends so much on your ZIP Code. I attended the best public schools in my state while my wife attended the worst in the same state. I am genuinely pro-public school, but there is a point where the benefit of being around different people is overshadowed by distractions and low standards. My wife had to be diagnosed with a learning disability in college to receive test accommo…

The set of ZIP codes to geographical school assignment is neither 1:1 nor onto. Actually,

(just kidding)

I agree that school assignment is highly variable. I'm glad your wife managed to get her appeal approved. It's unfortunate she even had to go through that process to begin with.

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When a social failure happens at a public school - a child fails a class, drugs are found, a teenager gets pregnant, there’s a fight - most people don't question the public school system itself. But when a social failure happens to a homeschooler, we wonder if the system of _homeschooling_ is broken. In reality, stories of homeschooling failure are probably no more common than stories of failure in public high school…

The problem is that homeschooling is extremely bimodal (and the split at least used to be pretty even). It tends to be either very good or very bad. In particular, the "unschooling" approach (not always named such) is almost universally terrible. But most of the homeschooled kids I know now are in healthy co-ops with defined curricula and socialization.

I think that’s right…

I wish there was another word other than homeschooling for “the parents who are trying to hide the fact that their teenager can’t read.”

Because it’s a real group but yea we are in a co-op that’s a wonderful balance between being in a classroom and being at home more than he would be with public school.

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Covid showed me that on the average home schooling (or at least remote learning) leaves kids extremely under developed. The stunted social and academic skills were pretty apparent in retrospect once the schools reopened.

Remote learning. You didn't see homeschooling, which is a very different thing, you saw remote learning. The homeschooling crowd has developed methods over the years to compensate. The COVID remote learning cohort did not, and suffered for it.

Have they?

And what ensures they utilize those methods, exactly? Many states you, as a kid are 100% educationally off the grid the moments say "We're homeschooling".

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> It says something about a system dedicated to teaching children when parents think they can do as well or better. 6% of American think they can beat a grizzly bear in a fight. That says absolutely nothing about the bear, and says a lot about how misinformed people are.

An acquaintance of mine fought (got mauled by) a grizzly bear a month ago. He went to the ICU (since released), but the bear got shot and died. It was a pyrric victory, but he did win the fight.

"fun" story and all, but the statistic in question is about people believing they could beat a bear in a fight with their bare hands, not with firearms.

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You might actually be referring to yourself. Homeschoolers are better educated, more likely to get into college, and have better socialization skills than their publicly educated peers. https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#:~:text=r... https://chewv.org/college-preparation/college-admissions/?ut... https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/?utm_sourc...

... for the much smaller subset of homeschooled kids who apply to college.

NHERI is a homeschool lobbyist org.

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At the end of the day, it's a form of school-choice where parents decide what's best for their kids which I strongly support.

Except many many parents have been shown to not be able to decide what's actually best for their kids, or don't care, or have actually harmful ideas.

And maybe those kids aren't their property and society has decided that the rights of the child to their own wellbeing may actually trump "parents decide whats best" when and if those parents are very much not?

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I think it's an important development milestone to learn that people don't want to be their friends, and the longing for human connection might be a good moderating force in their life. I was a really pessimistic teenager, which I received plenty of feedback on, and have worked against my own nature to become a more positive and cheery adult.

This is a strange claim. In my personal experience, the asshole kids overlapped greatly with the popular kids in a Venn diagram sense. People, in general, did want to be their friends.

I think that a lot of the assholes behaved that way because they were naturally charismatic and people wanted to be their friends despite their being assholes. They were never socially punished for their behavior because they could turn on the charm at will. In other words, they were assholes because they could afford to be.

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> The statistics about home-schooled children don't support the idea that they have horribly inaccurate models of the world guided mostly by religious thinking. I'd be surprised if any such statistics exist. I've seen studies about the reasons parents choose to homeschool, and various outcomes of homeschooled kids versus public school kids, but none about what particular beliefs homeschooled kids have regarding, say,…

Homeschoolers tend to outperform their regular school peers. But I think parental involvement is a significant differential and is probably contributing to the outcomes.

In what and citation needed.

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This is the result of more propaganda and brainwashing than education in schools. We should have left the politics out of the schools, after we got the prayers banned. But I guess some people will stop at nothing.

When the hell did praying get banned?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_prayer_in_the_United_St...

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I follow this blog of an entrepreneur based in Malaysia, Asim Qureshi.

https://wonderyearsschool.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@asim-qureshi/videos

He has been documenting his children's homeschooling journey and I have to say the results are beyond amazing.

All of the kids were done with "high school" level education before the age of 15.

Daughters going to Oxford and Cambridge. They were accepted at 16 I think but the University told them they could not join until they turn 18.

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