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Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by system2 » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 7:34 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #507

system2 wrote: post #476

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That's the natural evolution of jobs, though. It is not like barbers will lose their jobs because of a new Cylon coming to market. These tools are gradually improving and adding more speed to workers. If someone's job is extremely mundane and limited, they have to evolve before these things take over. Those people can also lose their jobs when a new, smarter, and harder-working employee is hired and capable of doing…

Capitalism mindset at its best, with the luxury of living in world regions where people find new jobs every day, and no family responsibilities. Many places of the globe the option is between mundane jobs or none at all.

What is the alternative? Get stuck in the old days and never improve so the talentless lazy people continue living their lazy lives?

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by system2 » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 7:34 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #506

system2 wrote: post #367

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Those are tools, not jobs.

Tell that to the people that were using those tools, now looking for a new job.

They should've thought about it years before the evolution. It is on them being stuck in a rut like that.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by MangoToupe » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 7:36 PM UTC

a24j wrote: post #514

MangoToupe wrote: post #438

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I still don't understand the connection—you can't measure level of competency this way.

A labor pool's competence drops, especially at the lower/entry-level end, when educational achievement for the labor drops. To illustrate with reductive absurdity: If every CS student in the market used AI to do all of their coursework, and got a degree still -- that would, among other things, likely reduce appetite on the hiring side.

Right, but there's no way of actually measuring whether or not there's a drop in competency if the earnest job postings aren't there to begin with. I.e. there's no way to test your hypothesis.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 7:50 PM UTC

whoknowsidont wrote: post #490

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #469

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Your experience exactly matches mine as well. But some of these comments are just like from another planet. Like a comment I responded to saying "All the tools that existed for remote work had been there, largely in the same fashion and capability, for decades", and then when I responded with disbelief about how anyone could think that remote working tools have been static for decades I was chastised for not giving s…

>static for decades I was chastised for not giving specific examples. Any examples, really. >The level of cluelessness on display here is just baffling to me. I encourage you to give this thread an honest, deep think about why you feel this way. It's certainly not lack of insight from the other side. The word accountability is relevant here.

There are literally tons of examples lots of people, myself included, have given in this thread. At this point, arguing with you is like arguing with a dining room table. Have fun in your universe.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by pjmlp » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 7:57 PM UTC

system2 wrote: post #551

pjmlp wrote: post #507

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Capitalism mindset at its best, with the luxury of living in world regions where people find new jobs every day, and no family responsibilities. Many places of the globe the option is between mundane jobs or none at all.

What is the alternative? Get stuck in the old days and never improve so the talentless lazy people continue living their lazy lives?

Yes, unless you are proposing some kind of way to get rid of people unfortunate to live in such places.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by pjmlp » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 7:58 PM UTC

system2 wrote: post #552

pjmlp wrote: post #506

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Tell that to the people that were using those tools, now looking for a new job.

They should've thought about it years before the evolution. It is on them being stuck in a rut like that.

Ah survival of the fitest, late stage capitalism before any kind of humanity.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by lazide » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 8:03 PM UTC

x0x0 wrote: post #548

bonesss wrote: post #202

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Hard truths about outsourcing: you’re always dealing with a cultural, political, and legal gap. Stuff that’s hella-illegal, that not even the remotest WFH citizen would ever try to pull, might look very tasty from another perspective. Economics that favour that cheap labour also means even marginal scams can seem wildly tempting on the other side.

Being subject to a real legal system clears up a lot of behavior.

What country has one of those now a days?

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by jollyllama » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 8:05 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #540

jollyllama wrote: post #538

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> Likewise many tasks I used to do with Java, .NET, Node.js, have been replaced by low code/no code tools with agentic orchestration. I'd be interested in hearing more about the particulars of this.

Look into iPaaS products. Workfront Fusion, Workato, Boomi, Power Apps, OutSystems Basically the evolution of BPEL, doing orchestration with any kind of microservices exposed via APIs, which can themselves be exposed via API endpoints. Now with MCP, tools and agents, some of those diagrams can be further automated.

I guess it depends what you mean by orchestration. I'm familiar with Power Apps, it would make sense for frontending other business APIs.

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by 56J8XhH7voFRwPR » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 8:51 PM UTC

mattfrommars wrote: post #399

I can assure you a lot of veteran devs in my company who had major impact were let ago because of off shoring to India and Poland. My employer is a very well known financial institution, think Blackrock, Bloomberg etc. Public press paints picture of the firm laying off due to adoption of AI. Yet, I can assure you without doubt its not because of it but due to continued offshore. I think we are at the brink of opening…

This is my company too. Also large financial firm based in US. They say AI, but what they really mean is "Always Indian".

Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by Wojtkie » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 8:52 PM UTC

mattfrommars wrote: post #399

I can assure you a lot of veteran devs in my company who had major impact were let ago because of off shoring to India and Poland. My employer is a very well known financial institution, think Blackrock, Bloomberg etc. Public press paints picture of the firm laying off due to adoption of AI. Yet, I can assure you without doubt its not because of it but due to continued offshore. I think we are at the brink of opening…

Yeah, same here except in Retail. All the hiring is in the Indian campus where they can pay junior devs 11/hr compared to the 80/hr billed by Kforce, InfoSys, et. al.