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Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ezoe »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #351
ezoe wrote: post #69

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Exactly, this is just a 面子(face) problem. Also, his demanding of not using his work for AI training is nonsense. Because entire articles, this one included is published under a Creative Commons license. Didn't he agree on that? Mozilla must reject his further contribution because he stated he don't understand the term of Creative Commons license. His wish granted I guess.

Creative Commons License was created without any AI in mind. And > Licensees may copy, distribute, display, perform and make derivative works and remixes based on it only if they GIVE THE AUTHOR or licensor THE CREDITS

Is an ML model binary file created by using copyrighted work as its learning data, a derivative work of the copyrighted work? I don't think so.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by nmeagent »

yason wrote: post #357
cubefox wrote: post #313

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I don't get it. It's not the best possible phrasing, but people who find this sounds "horribly condescending" are excessively sensitive in my opinion. Like a grown man complaining about being "horribly hurt" when a careless passer-by bumped into him.

I'm sorry you don't get it and that you feel they're excessively sensitive. On the behalf of the HN community would you like to share with us more about how you feel about it so that we can better understand your position. I'm sure we can help you find the best possible phrasing to better express the excess of said sensitivity. We're sorry you've had to encounter such a wording and attitude on our forum.

In keeping with the grand traditions of corporate communications, perhaps we should all jump on a call to explore these issues in an unaccountable and likely adversarial way.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ezoe »

kuschku wrote: post #346
ezoe wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, this is just a 面子(face) problem. Also, his demanding of not using his work for AI training is nonsense. Because entire articles, this one included is published under a Creative Commons license. Didn't he agree on that? Mozilla must reject his further contribution because he stated he don't understand the term of Creative Commons license. His wish granted I guess.

Is the AI published under the same CC license, with attribution?

CC only works on things that are copyright protected works. Is ML model binary file a derivative works of the learning source? I don't think so.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ErigmolCt »

kstenerud wrote: post #369

I know that everyone has already given their opinions about what kinds of people are involved and their motivations, but this is really about two fallible humans, one listing grievances and another asking to open a communication channel. That's it. Anything else you read into this is going to be fraught with your own coloring based on a hundred words written in text (a notoriously difficult medium to establish emotio…

Text is a terrible medium for conflict resolution

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by [deleted] »

stephenlf wrote: post #525
sirwhinesalot wrote: post #515

I'm not sure why I clicked on this beyond just knowing it was going to be another Mozilla trainwreck and not being able to look away. But what was truly stunning to me was this comment thread. There are people here actually defending the following response: > I'm sorry for how you and the Japanese community feel about the MT workflow that we just recently introduced. Would you be interested to hop on a call with us t…

Talking face-to-face is absolutely the right response, though. Would you have preferred a canned apology?

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Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by Waterluvian »

kstenerud wrote: post #369

I know that everyone has already given their opinions about what kinds of people are involved and their motivations, but this is really about two fallible humans, one listing grievances and another asking to open a communication channel. That's it. Anything else you read into this is going to be fraught with your own coloring based on a hundred words written in text (a notoriously difficult medium to establish emotio…

> but this is really about two fallible humans

Ah yes, the good ol' vice principal saying it takes two to tango.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ErigmolCt »

Stranger43 wrote: post #169

I think a fundamental lack of understanding/humility is the core of this conflict along with Mozilla's long and storied history of creating controversies/problems out of thin air. The Mozilla leadership seems to have a unfortunate tendency to emulate the behaviors of the tech companies that their core Firefox project is often seen as an alternative too. Firefox is a good browser but is prevented from capitalizing on…

Mozilla has a real pattern of shooting itself in the foot

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ACCount37 »

trenchpilgrim wrote: post #270
ngruhn wrote: post #242

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Hasn't crashed for me once and I use it daily.

Been crashing for me and friends for about a week now, mostly on youtube

That's on YouTube. It doesn't work well on anything now, and hasn't for a long, long while.

Re: End of Japanese community

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Post by ACCount37 »

int_19h wrote: post #360
Etheryte wrote: post #293

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To be fair, in my experience LLM-s struggle to some extent with nearly every language that isn't English. Compared to many others, English is a very simple language and it has the largest body of material to learn from to boot. The more nuanced a language, the more LLM-s spout garbage.

They do pretty good Russian, even to the point of very elaborate speech styles etc.

Russian-speaking web was pretty strong once. There was a lot of educated people in ex-USSR who were apt with tech, knew Russian well and were willing to use it.

That's very much in the past now. But it'll linger in the training data for a while.

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