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Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Post by bko »

uncomputation wrote: post #146
bko wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Facebook is a benefit. Among other things, it gave me React which much of the modern web is built on, and React Native, PyTorch, GraphQL, Cassandra, Presto, and RocksDB just to name a few. The question is, what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? I don't know. My daycare sends me updates, my barbershop tells me when they're closing and I used it to sell my fridge. This hole Facebook irratio…

> what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? I don't know. This is extremely naive and akin to asking "why do people drink if it’s bad for you then??" Popular != healthy

I think it's incredibly naive and arrogant to tell billions of people who use a product through their own free will "ackchyually its really bad and you should stop".

Almost everyone would give you a response similar to mine. They use it because its easy way to plan events since so many people are on it, or a small business can easily create a website, sell something or just kill some time on the can.

Give it a rest.

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Post by bko »

weregiraffe wrote: post #446
bko wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Facebook is a benefit. Among other things, it gave me React which much of the modern web is built on, and React Native, PyTorch, GraphQL, Cassandra, Presto, and RocksDB just to name a few. The question is, what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? I don't know. My daycare sends me updates, my barbershop tells me when they're closing and I used it to sell my fridge. This hole Facebook irratio…

>The question is, what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? Why do everyone get sick and eventually die if it's harmful?

It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Post by bko »

kovac wrote: post #149
bko wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Facebook is a benefit. Among other things, it gave me React which much of the modern web is built on, and React Native, PyTorch, GraphQL, Cassandra, Presto, and RocksDB just to name a few. The question is, what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? I don't know. My daycare sends me updates, my barbershop tells me when they're closing and I used it to sell my fridge. This hole Facebook irratio…

> My daycare sends me updates, my barbershop tells me when they're closing and I used it to sell my fridge. To consider the other side of this, read "The age of surveillance capitalism" by Shoshana Zuboff (really read it though, not chatgpt the summary :). All the benefits you mentioned are real. But, at what cost and could we have reaped the same benefits without surrendering all agency to those who can't be held ac…

What are the costs? Seems like a huge benefit to me considering the alternative would be... I don't know. No updates? Maybe some shitty custom app that would 100% for sure have worse data security and privacy rights than something like Facebook?

Everyone's talking vaguely about the costs but no one actually makes a concrete case, where I made a concrete case of the benefits.

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Post by WhyOhWhyQ »

javierluraschi wrote: post #142
akagusu wrote: post #97

The big question is what "society" he is talking about? Is it the "society" that includes all people, or the "society" that includes only rich people?

It will benefit all people but it will disproportionally benefit more rich people.

If be benefitting you mean displacing all reason to live, then yes, it will solve that problem I face. Now I will be certain.

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Post by WhyOhWhyQ »

amscanne wrote: post #147
Retric wrote: post #144

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Is the average person actually better off after the late 90’s internet is probably a harder question than it might seem. The long tail may be closer to what I want, but the quality is also generally lower. YouTube just doesn’t support a team of talented writers, Amazon is mostly filled with junk, etc. Social media and gig work is a mixed bag. Junk e-mail etc may not be a big deal, but those kinds of downsides do erod…

Are you being objective or just romanticizing the past? Just to use your example: YouTube is filled with talented writers and storytellers, who would have never been able to share their content in the past. *And* the traditional media complex is richer than ever. I don’t think average quality matters. Just what you want to consume. If anything, I’d be more open to the opposite argument. Media is so much richer and mo…

It's really not though. There are a few high quality individual creators, but not many.

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Post by someuser54541 »

dmix wrote: post #64

I'm paying for 3 different AI services and our company and most of my team is also paying money for various AI stuff. Sounds like a real industry to me. There's just going to be VC losers as always, where usually "losing" is getting bought by a bigger company or aquihires instead of 100xing or going public.

My team is doing the same, and yet all of us still aren't sure that we're actually more productive overall.

If anything it seems to me like we've just swapped coding with what is effectively a lot more code review (of whatever the LLM spits out), at the cost of also losing that long term understanding of a block of code that actually comes from writing it yourself (let's not pretend that a reviewer has the same depth of understanding of a piece of code as an author).

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Post by WhyOhWhyQ »

goku12 wrote: post #325
akagusu wrote: post #97

The big question is what "society" he is talking about? Is it the "society" that includes all people, or the "society" that includes only rich people?

That's a very relevant question. And as your question implies, we all know which society the billionaires talk about. But AI is just a technology like any other. It does have the potential to bring great benefits to humanity if developed with that intent. It's the corruptive influence of the billionaire and autocrat greed that turns all technologies against us. When I say benefits to humanity, I don't mean the AI slo…

I have a phd in mathematics and I assure you I am not happy that AI is going to make doing mathematics a waste of time. Go read Gower's essay on it from the 90s. He is spot on.

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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Post by bialpio »

SoftTalker wrote: post #207
davnicwil wrote: post #58

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this is a good point, and it would be interesting to see the relative value of this building and housing 'plumbing' overhead Vs the chips themselves. I guess another example of the same thing is power generation capacity, although this comes online so much more slowly I'm not sure the dynamics would work in the same way.

The data centers built in 1998 don't have nearly enough power or cooling capacity to run today's infrastructure. I'd be surprised if very many of them are even still in use. Cheaper to build new than upgrade.

How come? I'd expect that efficiency gains would lower power and thus cooling demands - are we packing more servers into the same space now or losing those gains elsewhere?
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