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Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by heavyset_go »

saurik wrote: post #230
rekttrader wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When’s your next court date against Apple? Let’s hope the California government can stand against this type of federal overreach.

I lost--not on the facts, or even on the relevant law, and not even in the district court where we were being heard, but in appeals on a narrow technicality of statute of limitations that we bet our case on (I am explicit about this as Apple didn't "win", so much as "we failed"; I even feel like our case just wasn't argued very well once we got to that level, which hurts)--over a year and a half ago... so, never :(.

Sorry to hear it, that's the justice system for you.

IMO, you're in a unique position where you can make your case to the public, not only is it intensely relevant now, but people will listen to you. Your name/brand carries good will for many.

Even a blog post that can be shared would be valuable. If that's something you'd be interested in, of course.

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Post by nebula8804 »

jajuuka wrote: post #448
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #293

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Yeah but the press has to make money. They don't want to lose access, ultimately most of them want to be PR contractors for big companies Getting people off of for-profit news would be great, though I admit it's a blue sky proposal

Yeah most companies want good PR for access. Apple takes this to the extreme where the first whiff of negatives things to say and you're cut off. Now you won't get invited to events or given devices early. So you'll have to wait until release and buy it yourself. Then take the time to review a device. By that point most people have already seen the other coverage and made up their mind. So you will get very little mo…

What if all the youtubers eg. MKBHD, Justine, etc. all piss off Apple at the same time? Or one big one goes against Apple and others follow as an act of solidarity?

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Post by renewiltord »

exBarrelSpoiler wrote: post #548
renewiltord wrote: post #265

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Well to start with no one requires anyone to get a job and pay taxes. You could just as well live off food banks and take as much money from government. Knowing that the government does this, one need not give them any money any longer. You could spend down your balance and start eating from the food bank. It's a pretty active act to go earn money that you then fully know (completely ahead of time) that you are givin…

Essentially your argument is “if you don’t like it so much why don’t you move?” which must feel satisfying to trot out but is obviously fatuous.

Well, I'm only taking the notion of complicity to its logical conclusion. I disagree with the premise and a valid way to argue that is to show it reaches absurdity.

It's obvious what's actually happening. It's not so surprising that Apple-haters believe that Apple is complicit in everything. They'd say that about anything Apple. The fact that the argument concludes in 'bottom' is evidence.

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Post by snickerbockers »

pseudalopex wrote: post #519
snickerbockers wrote: post #162

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>that talk about sending troops to republican majority cities not that specifically but he did actually threaten to use nuclear weapons against american citizens. although FWIW it looks to me more like a manifestation of his advanced-stage alzheimer's than an intentional threat. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SHLHkmWoYDU >He holds a lighthouse. FDR is the one who illegally imprisoned 120k ethnically-japanese people (…

> not that specifically but he did actually threaten to use nuclear weapons against american citizens. although FWIW it looks to me more like a manifestation of his advanced-stage alzheimer's than an intentional threat. The video showed he said people who wish to use arms against the government need F-15s and may need nuclear weapons. And versions of this claim are common from all ages.

Okay I was trying to be charitable there but the point is that he threatened to deploy nuclear weapons against people who don't comply with gun control legislation. If he actually meant to say that then that would make him look worse not better.

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Post by xethos »

nebula8804 wrote: post #553
jajuuka wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah most companies want good PR for access. Apple takes this to the extreme where the first whiff of negatives things to say and you're cut off. Now you won't get invited to events or given devices early. So you'll have to wait until release and buy it yourself. Then take the time to review a device. By that point most people have already seen the other coverage and made up their mind. So you will get very little mo…

What if all the youtubers eg. MKBHD, Justine, etc. all piss off Apple at the same time? Or one big one goes against Apple and others follow as an act of solidarity?

There's (effectively) a single iPhone to review, and millions that want to be the next major reviewer.

I guarantee someone is willing to play ball

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Post by Palmik »

permo-w wrote: post #466
cherryteastain wrote: post #313

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Conversely, this and EU Chat Control are precisely why the powers that be will ensure it will happen. The importance of FOSS mobile OSes is greater than ever now.

if we're talking about the EU, for a provider the size of Google, not allowing third party application installs is illegal in the EU under the Digital Markets Act

This doesn't necessarily mean they can't introduce developer verification process. (Meaning only Google verified and approved developers would be able to distribute APKs)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45411426

It's really quite worrying how all these things (age verification, chat control, side-loading prevention, etc.) seem to be coming to bear in tandem across many countries.

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Post by carbonbioxide »

latexr wrote: post #354
pacomerh wrote: post #93

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Well, native apps are more popular among non tech savvy people because they’re easier to find and install. I was talking to the guy who works on our backyard and they don't even know what a browser is on their phone.

> they don't even know what a browser is on their phone. Why should they? There’s no app called “web browser” on the phone. But there may be “Safari” or “Google Chrome”. Do they know what those are? If you told them “go to ”, could they do it?

yeah? and what are they gonna do when they get to safari, type the website, and accept geo location?. You don't know humans. you lost me at "if you told them", who's gonna tell them?

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Post by rognjen »

nebula8804 wrote: post #552
CodeCompost wrote: post #480

Well why do you need an app store for this? Can't you just ... I donnow ... create a webpage with OpenStreetMap integration?

Answered by the developer here: https://youtu.be/Pm4tC2Mnabs?t=25358

Does not seem like a thought out answer.

It's harder to be anon with an app that with a web page because you have to cater for all the web things PLUS Android.

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Post by simianparrot »

sherry-sherry wrote: post #271
simianparrot wrote: post #262

ICE tracking apps put ICE agents in danger, and the same kind of app for, say, tracking Meta employees or “people who wear Team Blue T-shirts” or any other group would obviously be a danger as well. How on earth do people find this controversial..?

ICE puts people in danger and disregards their due process. When a group is performing unconstitutional activities they should be tracked and stopped where possible.

There's individual cases of unconstitutional behaviour, but ICE itself isn't unconstitutional. It was unconstitutional to effectively lock people in their homes during covid, but it was done anyway.
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