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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by mminer237 »

agedclock wrote: post #169
eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

It is not a generational thing at all. There were plenty of TV shows centred around candid camera / security camera / home video footage back in the 1980s/1990s well before digital cameras or the internet was ubiquitous.

I mean, I feel like the mindset of privacy and no one can have photos of me is a fairly recent phenomenon. Parents or grandparents definitely had books photos of everyone important to them and probably would have found it weird for someone to ask not to be photographed.

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Post by mattmaroon »

It’s frustrating when there’s a problem and you know any solution to it is worse than the problem itself.

For instance, in my area we’ve recently had a couple Nazi demonstrations. People with swastika flags and “Hitler was right” signs. I’d like that to go away.

But to attempt to use law to do anything about it would mean allowing someone to choose what others can and cannot say in public. That’s worse, or at least at some point it will be.

This is very much like that (though of course far less nefarious) and you just have to let people take paintball videos. Imagine if we didn’t let people video anything they want in public. How many instances of police brutality would go unpunished. That’s worse.

My advice: start a paintball league and make that the rule. And yeah, it does suck to have to suddenly become an event planner just to not end up on YouTube but welcome to the future I guess.

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

RajT88 wrote: post #160
siva7 wrote: post #69

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There are lots of young people who have some conception and respect of privacy and there are people who haven't. That's not a generational thing.. It's just that those without awareness of boundaries have now all the tech that screams in their face to stream everything to the world without consent. I can assure you that still lots of young folks are annoyed by those people.

Agree. I went to a family gathering recently, and my wife's cousin was walking around live streaming. People were pissed once they figured out that private conversations were uploading live to the internet. The same guy did similar when his mom was on her death bed. Jesus Christ.

>The same guy did similar when his mom was on her death bed. Jesus Christ.

I am so sorry for your loss and I am out of words. Just, I just want to be with ya in silence for a while. I am sorry that you had to go through this. I am really speechless

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Post by sdoering »

ghaff wrote: post #526
hdgvhicv wrote: post #287

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Aside from the Eiffel Tower what actually benefits from that right? In many ways an unenforced right is worse than no right at all.

The Eiffel Tower situation is a somewhat complicated matter. You can (of course) publish a photo of the tower on your social media account. But the nighttime illumination is apparently copyrighted and it's not clear to me if the prohibition about publishing extends beyond commercial purposes anyway. I agree with your broader point. Recognizable people get their photos published on social media every second of every d…

In German, we also have a "Right to the image". It is based on our constitutional rights.

But, if you are a public figure, as in you are a media person, a celebrity or politician. As in you are actually searching for publicity, the situation changes. Here the beauty of shades of grey and work for lawyers begins.

Because while you have lost the clear cut black or white, there are still things that will get the person publishing into trouble.

When I started my career in online journalism this was a very long discussed topic while we had our course at the Academy for Journalism in Hamburg.

But for ordinary people, the right to your image is a quite strong protection.

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Post by [deleted] »

mapmeld wrote: post #257
Piraty wrote: post #228

don't tell author about new meta glasses everybody and their grandma will wear 24/7 in 10y. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45283306

Google Glass has been a thing for 12 years, Snapchat's glasses have been around for 9. And you rarely see someone using them. (I'm aware of reports of ICE officers wearing the Meta glasses, but this is probably an extension of norms around police bodycams)

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Post by brailsafe »

brudgers wrote: post #487
eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

you risk becoming a side character in someone elses' parasocial relationship Your perception of this as a risk probably suggests cultural and/or generational differences. But for the actual circumstances of the fine article’s author, video is a norm of the community the author seeks to join. Within the community, video is an established practice and making a video rig signifies a higher degree of commitment to the co…

> To put it another way, joining the bird watching community means keeping lists. Yes, of course you can just watch birds for your personal pleasure, but documentation is a core community activity.

How do you define community? Seems like a bit rigid of a implied requirement.

The whole idea of conflating community and publicity or some documentation requirement seems a bit silly to me, and it's definitely not rare, but an individual is perfectly within their right to go about engagement in their hobby with other people who have similar interests on whichever terms they like, which seems like community to me, as long as some form of commonly understood communication is present.

Likewise the people who do want to establish certain requirements, gates if you will, have the right to do so, but not as a whole. Country clubs don't and shouldn't have exclusive domain over golf, and I don't give the slightest fuck about recording myself at the bouldering gym or skateboarding, but that shouldn't prevent me from being part of either culture or community unless a specific club within those forms around publication.

I'd concede that it's possible that a community could exist in such a way that the act of documenting is the exclusive basis for which people are able to communicate at all, in which case perhaps that defines the boundary, but again it seems like it would be rare for that to be so pervasive as to encapsulate the entirety of a hobby.

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Post by ilikecakeandpie »

presbyterian wrote: post #484
everdrive wrote: post #315

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>Basic human decency. You've got a very large, diverse population without a strong social identity and ever-fraying trust. So you won't consistently get basic human decency any longer. That's something which is extended to the in-group with which you have real social ties and obligations. Most people don't have this any longer.

Even if what you're saying is true, and I'm skeptical that it is, why is the solution to give up entirely on trying to preserve or promote it?

I agree. I understand that there's no expectation of privacy in a public area and this is amplified by people having cameras/video recording capabilities in their hands than ever before. I think it's different though when it's at a private event though, like a birthday party, funeral, etc and folks shouldn't default to livestreaming

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Post by sarchertech »

physicsguy wrote: post #286
gms7777 wrote: post #108

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I’m currently wedding planning and regularly visit a wedding planning forum. I was left flabbergasted the other day when someone posted if it would be ok to ask guests to not post pictures of the couple on social media. They’re ok with guests posting pictures of themselves or of the venue and decor, they just don’t really want pictures of the bride and groom. The response ranged from “you can ask but you can’t preven…

This gets asked at basically every wedding I've been to in the UK i.e. there is a professional photographer, please don't take photos of the bride and groom in the church and it still gets ignored. At my own wedding, one of the guests (not even someone invited to the whole day, just a neighbour of my wife's parents who knew her growing up) is leaning out of the aisle with their phone taking photos ruining a load of p…

I noticed you said “the whole day” I went a wedding once where the bride was from the UK. They said it was a “British style” wedding. It was almost exactly like an American wedding except that everything lasted twice as long (cocktail hour was 2 hours etc…).

I could never find out if this was a common thing in the UK or not.

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Post by ilikecakeandpie »

scotty79 wrote: post #536
HankStallone wrote: post #498

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Right. If you had a swimsuit malfunction on the beach in 1995, a few people got an eyeful of your unmentionables before you could grab a towel, someone might whistle or laugh, you'd blush, and then the world would move on and you'd forget about it. If the same thing happens in 2025, there's a decent chance your unmentionables will end up posted online for anyone to ogle in perpetuity. If you find out about it, it cou…

Who cares, your body will degrade and ultimately decompose in few short decades. If people aren't decent enough to wait till you are dead and bother you over the footage of you they've seen, you should go after them, not the person who recorded the footage. They are the ones who cause you inconvenience.

Young girls are killing themselves every day over something you're saying "who cares" about

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Post by carlosjobim »

basisword wrote: post #531
carlosjobim wrote: post #226

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A wedding is one of the most fundamentally public events that have ever existed. The purpose is so that as many people as possible should know that these people are taken. Asking guests to not take photos is such a faux pass that the couple has destroyed their reputation completely. They can have a quiet and private ceremony instead if they have stage fright.

>> Asking guests to not take photos is such a faux pass that the couple has destroyed their reputation completely. The day is not about you. Just like people are free to exclude children from weddings, if they ask you not to take photos and you take umbrage at that, you need to take a hard look at yourself. It's. Not. About. You.

Almost every couple manage to arrange their wedding without any unusual rules and demands. So most people seem to have taken your advice at heart. My advice to you is trying to make your argument without tired and boring insults such as "take a hard look at yourself". People have different opinions and perspectives, you can only accept that.

I've never made any strange rules for guests when I host, and I've politely declined the very rare cases when I've received such an invite. Because I know it's not about me.

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