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Re: Helium Browser

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Post by ModernMech »

knowitnone2 wrote: post #517
ModernMech wrote: post #389

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Personally, I disregard Servo because I've been hearing about it for 10 years. I'll start paying attention again when they remove the "don't log into your bank with Servo" warning.

Done. Now you can use it.

Huh? No nothing has changed: https://servo.org/download

  "These pre-built nightly snapshots allow developers to try Servo and report issues without building Servo locally. Please don’t log into your bank with Servo just yet!"

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by cush »

diffrinse wrote: post #505
cush wrote: post #443

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> about 3 people are working on it Hard pass. Arc had an entire dev team with serious investors and couldn't just focus on building a browser

That's because they had serious investors

Touché

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by ValentineC »

err4nt wrote: post #435

Back about 20 years ago there was a lightweight Gecko-based web browser called 'Camino' that was a delight compared to Firefox or other 'full' browsers. It was fast, simplified, and still rendered pages well. I didn't always use it, but it was a joy to use. I downloaded Helium and gave it a spin and my first impression was "Ah, it's like Camino all over again". I can't use this for my job where I need to use stock {C…

I miss Camino! There was a period in time (pre-Blink) where it offered the best compatibility with websites built for IE6.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by yupyupyups »

fastball wrote: post #548
yupyupyups wrote: post #531

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Calling Brave "best-in-class for resisting fingerprinting" is quite bold. Especially when it's so easily disproven. Try some good fingerprint testing sites on Brave and see what comes up (those results alone should chock you). Then try the same sites on Firefox with privacy.resistFingerprinting=true. Unless some truly revolutionary initiatives have been taken at Brave since last I checked, you will see Firefox do A L…

> Try some good fingerprint testing sites on Brave Um. Have you tried this? Because obviously based on my comment I've done this before (and I've of course included Firefox). I just did this again and sites tell me Brave has a randomized fingerprint. Firefox's is "unique". A specific example: the EFF Cover Your Tracks website[1] said that both browsers convey 18.21 bits of identifying information. Additionally, if yo…

I actually did, but admittedly it was maybe 4 years ago. Brave vs Firefox. Brave gave the fingerprinter a lot of information about my hardware including the exact model of my GPU, while Firefox did not.

I think I wrote some report at one time about this issue, so it was a bit more than just surface level testing. Chromium was always a disapointment whenever I attempted a comparison.

I think a more fair comparison would be today's Brave vs some hardened Firefox such as Librewolf, Mullvad Browser or even Tor Browser. Because the issue is not how vanilla Chromium or Firefox perform, but how well they can be hardened in practice.

Worth noting is that Brave does better when it comes to compatibility, because it leaves WebGL and other APIs enabled, while something like Tor Browser will disable those for privacy reasons. It hints at different priorities between these projects.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by flexagoon »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #363
n4bz0r wrote: post #362

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What's the context? Is there a proof of sorts?

https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Ok, so they say Yandex queries are 2% of their costs. Kagi currently has 57341 paying members. Even if you assume that every single user has a $25/month Ultimate membership and that 100% of that money goes towards search API (which is both obviously not the case), you'll get that Kagi pays about $29000/month to Yandex. According to World Bank, the corporate tax burden in Russia is about 46% of profit, so if you assume all of this money as profit, Kagi pays $13000/month to the Russian government. In reality, Kagi spends MUCH less than $25/user on search API costs, and Yandex doesn't claim all of that money as profit, so the real figure is closer to $1000-5000, maybe even less. And most of that money goes to local governments or pension funds anyway. So yeah, Kagi may pay likeabout 1-2 cents a month from each user's subscription to the Russian government in exchange to massively improving the quality of their service. That's not nearly enough to call it "proudly collaborating with the Russian government", and I can guarantee you that MUCH more of your money goes to Russia every month in other ways. In fact, if you live in Europe, you probably pay more to Russia in your own taxes.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by Resubmit7765 »

int_19h wrote: post #520
vovavili wrote: post #220

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Edge for me, since it has the single best implementation of vertical tabs on the market, with smooth expand on hover. Every time I try other browsers, I am immediately put off by how lacking in polish vertical tabs feel in comparison and go back.

Vivaldi has an excellent implementation of vertical tabs.

As someone who loves vertical tabs, I was disappointed with Vivaldi's vertical tab behavior/implementation compared to Edge and Brave. I used Vivaldi full time for half a year before deciding to revert back to Edge for work and Brave for personal.

Of course you can customize with CSS and other types of things, but I'd ideally like my browser to just work well and be designed well.

Having said that, I miss some features from Vivaldi. However, I am much happier using vertical tabs in other browsers that have that feature.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by Resubmit7765 »

tredre3 wrote: post #506
adsuna wrote: post #218

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tried vivaldi and it felt really bloated and clunky to me, atleast compared to zen, is that just how it is or is it much better after configuration?

Vivaldi is clunky and slow because the entire user interface (tab bar, address bar, title bar if enabled, etc) is a webview rather than native-ish controls like all other browsers.

I used it for six months and it had some things I really liked about it, but there were some really frustrating bugs that would pop up each release. I eventually got tired of it and had to move to another browser.

It's a shame, because I like the attitude and spirit behind Vivaldi.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by chasing0entropy »

RoryH wrote: post #241
pjmlp wrote: post #150

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Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

It was also a time before Google demoted "Don't be evil." from their company literature.

I took "don't BE evil" to mean don't let the company image be that of an evil company which already made me distrust them. Once it was gone I knew the death star was fully operational.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by password4321 »

anon1395 wrote: post #199
godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

Safari should be on Windows. I don't care what CSS standards it has, it needs to give Chrome and Firefox some competition

Here are the Windows WebKit builds: https://build.webkit.org/#/builders/1192

"MiniBrowser" opened after installing AppleMobileDeviceSupport64 from iTunes and VC_redist.x64, and it appeared to be making network requests, but it never rendered any web content I could see.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by NSPG911 »

cush wrote: post #443
MYEUHD wrote: post #7

It's based on ungoogled-chromium and about 3 people are working on it. https://github.com/imputnet/helium

> about 3 people are working on it Hard pass. Arc had an entire dev team with serious investors and couldn't just focus on building a browser

> had an entire dev team with serious investors

thats literally why we get slop, because companies focus on investors rather than users? when there are 3 people working on it, they would listen more to the community

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