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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by cyberax »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #401
alkonaut wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Americans even want functioning bureaucracy? I'm starting to doubt they realize just how complex a modern democracy is, and how many moving parts need to work _just right_ for there to be jobs, money, media, law and order, free speech etc. A presidential candidate should be able to campaign on "normal foreign relations", "independent authorities", "functioning government", "decorum in politics", "balanced budget",…

A functioning bureaucracy is the death knell of ordered society.

Somalia is the best place on Early, then?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by hermitcrab »

pimlottc wrote: post #320
mrmansano wrote: post #140

Anecdotally, although I'm sure it's happening to more people. I'm Brazilian, I work in the US on H1-B. I'm on vacations in Brazil with my wife and kids, one in school age. I also came to renew my visa stamp, as I had my extension approved not long ago. My visa is valid from September 21st, so, same day as this proclamation takes effect. And I can't go back before that because my visa is not valid. My flight was sched…

Wow. "On vacation" makes it sounds like workers were just off "having fun" (which of course is their right), but as your story illustrates, many immigrants are required to leave the US for their visa renewals. To be forced to leave the country and then be barred from return by an sudden change in the rules is the most unjust cruelty. As an American, I'm deeply ashamed by this. I hope you and your family are able to r…

The cruelty is the point, isn't it?

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Post by slater »

cyberax wrote: post #551
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A functioning bureaucracy is the death knell of ordered society.

Somalia is the best place on Early, then?

Obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ul-Efi1Xys

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by mrtksn »

arn7av wrote: post #518

Update from USCIS: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/H1B... "Clarification" from Press Secretary: https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969495900478488745 1.) This is NOT an annual fee. It’s a one-time fee that applies only to the petition. 2.) Those who already hold H-1B visas and are currently outside of the country right now will NOT be charged $100,000 to re-enter. H-1B visa holders can leave and…

Who knows what will happen next? Maybe his base will be unhappy with the current format, start a social media campaign and make the WH post even better clarification that explains exactly the opposite.

They flip flopped on the foreign employees in hospitality and food production. The policies are driven by outrage, crypto purchases and early investors like Project2025 apparently. I don't think that there's any guaranties.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by cozzyd »

decimalenough wrote: post #112
cozzyd wrote: post #56

Guam is going to see an influx of people too far away to get to conus

Guam and other US territories in the Pacific like American Samoa have their own immigration systems that are not identical to the mainland. I'm not sure how this intersects with H-1B validity, but it would be an expensive gamble to find out.

Then I guess Hawaii is the play...

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by nomel »

zem wrote: post #538
nomel wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was confused, because it does not apply to current Visa holders: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45316226 I thought maybe the company was doing something shady, for it to apply to them.

that was not at all certain yesterday, and even now there's the constant fact that a border agent can decide to be nasty and use this as a pretext to deny you entry, with no real recourse on your part. as a parallel example, trump recently decided that you could no longer get your visa stamped in a third country (which a lot of indians did as a matter of course, because wait times for an appointment can be very high…

I don't understand your comment. My reply was today, in response to a comment that was posted less than an hour before mine, both hours after this was announced. How is yesterday relevant?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by darkoob12 »

arn7av wrote: post #518

Update from USCIS: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/H1B... "Clarification" from Press Secretary: https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969495900478488745 1.) This is NOT an annual fee. It’s a one-time fee that applies only to the petition. 2.) Those who already hold H-1B visas and are currently outside of the country right now will NOT be charged $100,000 to re-enter. H-1B visa holders can leave and…

They don't tell her everything. She was clueless before.

We have seen Trump making decisions that surprised his closest aids.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by mystraline »

manco wrote: post #484
mystraline wrote: post #270

I'm going to keep banging on this website, of definitions of fascism. And also, for the time being, is also hanging in short form at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause Labor Power is Suppressed Rampant Cronyism and Corruption These are all elements of fascism, and is directly on display. We are living in a…

> Labor Power is Suppressed Isn't this making labor more powerful since it's restricting competition from overseas?

'15 hours to return or you're fucked' is not the kind of policy to reform H1B status.

Disassociating the employee with special skills from the sponsoring company would do a load better. Right now, the current H1B sponsorship creates a form of indentured servitude, which is horrific.

Now, sure, H1B should be gated similarly to Green Card status, as in there is a need for people of those skills. Right now, H1B serves as a way to depress wages for the rest of us. If anything, H1B should be significantly higher to show "these skills are highly in need", but instead, average H1B wages are 100k/yr.

Reforms are completely needed. But slapping a 17 hour 'show up or you'll be sorry' is NOT it.

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Post by mr_toad »

yibg wrote: post #471
arrowsmith wrote: post #452

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Hey, quick question: who founded America?

Initially? People looking for gold, silver, fur. Missionaries spreading the word of god, people escaping persecution of various sorts. Are those the people Europe and the US are look to immigrate?

> Initially? People looking for gold, silver, fur.

For the most part it was companies looking for gold, furs etc, with the support of their governments. Companies founded the colonies and trading posts for the benefit of the stockholders and the governments. The consideration of colonists was a distant third. When the supply of easy marks dried up they turned to indentured labour and then slavery.

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Post by zem »

nomel wrote: post #556
zem wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that was not at all certain yesterday, and even now there's the constant fact that a border agent can decide to be nasty and use this as a pretext to deny you entry, with no real recourse on your part. as a parallel example, trump recently decided that you could no longer get your visa stamped in a third country (which a lot of indians did as a matter of course, because wait times for an appointment can be very high…

I don't understand your comment. My reply was today, in response to a comment that was posted less than an hour before mine, both hours after this was announced. How is yesterday relevant?

microsoft sent their letter out when it was highly likely the new diktat applied to existing visa holders too. they had very little time to respond if they wanted to make sure people got home before the absurdly short deadline.
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