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Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

ttoinou wrote: post #209
csours wrote: post #137

History books can tell you facts that happened, but they can never truly tell you how it feels. I feel we're riding a knife's edge and there's a hurricane brewing in the gulf of absurdity. ==== Incidentally, I feel like this is why it is so hard to actually learn from history. You can read about the 1918 'Spanish' Flu, but you think "we're smarter now". etc.

You can read about the 1918 'Spanish' Flu, but you think "we're smarter now". etc. Interesting how this quote can be interpreted in fully opposite ways depending on what "side" you were on during covid

> depending on what "side" you were on during covid

It's bizarre that there should be "sides" for how to deal with a public health issue. I can understand differing approaches, but it's the extreme polarisation that flabbergasts me.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by ncr100 »

avazhi wrote: post #419

Never really followed this guy and only knew of him because he'd randomly be mentioned in news stories. Regardless of your political bent, this sort of shit is sickening and genuinely disturbing, particularly when it occurs at (as this did) at a university whose ostensible raison d'etre is to ventilate different ideas, offensive or not. I realise this event wasn't a 'debate' per se but nevertheless it's the ethos and…

I'd say we _can_ be violent / brutal / unfair. I'm e.g. not violent / brutal when putting my clean dishes away.

This may have been an offensive reply to the original comment:

It's important for Me to play Devil's Advocate, here, because the original statement overlooks the amazingly constructive qualities humanity offers.

Overlooking == under-capitalizing. Which is an error. And judgement is important to hang onto in a crisis.

This is a crisis.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by thrance »

tmsh wrote: post #363
themgt wrote: post #286

But we have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times. My favorite poem, my -- my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." What we need in the Uni…

The most sustainable vision wins. And this is a great vision. Thanks for posting. Helped clarify how to think about today.

The most sustainable vision wins eventually. If history has anything to teach us, is that it's full of extremely unpleasant periods between the stable ones. And things aren't looking like they're improving.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by rsanek »

csours wrote: post #137

History books can tell you facts that happened, but they can never truly tell you how it feels. I feel we're riding a knife's edge and there's a hurricane brewing in the gulf of absurdity. ==== Incidentally, I feel like this is why it is so hard to actually learn from history. You can read about the 1918 'Spanish' Flu, but you think "we're smarter now". etc.

> You can read about the 1918 'Spanish' Flu, but you think "we're smarter now". etc.

Not sure what the comparison with COVID is supposed to be. Spanish flu was not created in a lab. There was no vaccine for the Spanish flu. The only real similarity is social distancing, quarantines, and masks -- we did that back then too.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by Glyptodon »

I'm mildly curious what the reaction to this will be compared to the reaction to other recent political murders, like the Hortmans, or of Thompson.

That said, I think people need to recognize that in many aspects what's happening is connected to societal issues that gun control and gun regulations will have very little impact on - remember, even in Japan somebody could make some kind of battery ignited home-made shotgun and kill Shinzo Abe.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by ethbr1 »

mmastrac wrote: post #308
themgt wrote: post #286

But we have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times. My favorite poem, my -- my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." What we need in the Uni…

Speech made in April, 1968, assassinated on June 5, 1968. Wild.

>> Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land! [April 3, 1968 in Memphis, Tennessee]

Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

So perhaps a better excerpt in light of recent events would be

>> And another reason that I'm happy to live in [the second half of the 20th century] is that we have been forced to a point where we are going to have to grapple with the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history, but the demands didn't force them to do it. Survival demands that we grapple with them. Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace. But now, no longer can they just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistence. That is where we are today.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by dang »

throwawaybob420 wrote: post #506

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We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

All: I suppose I should add that yes, there are many other accounts breaking the site guidelines and some are likely crossing the line at which we should ban them. One thing to realize, though, is that we usually take the account history into account, not just what they're posting in one thread (like today's).

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by ncr100 »

water-data-dude wrote: post #49

Obviously witchcraft doesn't actually work, but the timing on this Jezebel article "We Paid Some Etsy Witches to Curse Charlie Kirk" is darkly comical. https://www.jezebel.com/we-paid-some-etsy-witches-to-curse-c...

Cursed on August 22 2025, per the article.
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