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Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by righthand »

overfeed wrote: post #319
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #181

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> Google started, developed, and built Chrome into the best browser available today I don’t think this is as settled as you imply. I tend to like Google products, and do almost everything in the Google ecosystem. But my browser is normally brave or Firefox, because better Adblock is so so impactful. I feel that chrome is a valid alternative, but that no browser is really clearly “the best”. In your view, what is it t…

> In your view, what is it that makes chrome the best? As a former Firebug fan: Chrome/Chromium has had superior browser dev-tools experience for over a decade now.

Firefox dev tools tell me why my requests and scripts fail because of CORS or blocked by a plugin or what have you. Chrome doesn’t remotely even provide that info.

I honestly have never seen a Chrome dev tools feature that was better or necessary for good web development that Firefox didn’t already have in the last 15 years. Yet I always see this bizarre sentiment of how the dev tools were better “just because”.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by dboreham »

gnz11 wrote: post #526
molf wrote: post #517

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If there were a culture of always including the original source, or journalists massively advocating to include the original source, then surely the CMS would cater to it. I think it's safe to draw the conclusion that most journalists don't care about it.

There’s a lot of rightly deserved criticism of the media but the OP describing journalists as conspiring to keep links out in the fear of being fact checked by readers is simply false and indicative of not having any experience at a large news organization.

But there has to be some reason for original source links never appearing in journalist articles.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by justinrubek »

madaxe_again wrote: post #435
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #363

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Post the checksum J/K. Court should maybe GPG sign it though.. something like that. So we can verify the creator of any particular document.

Who is this for though? Your average user would not be able to use it or understand the purpose of it. A big image of a padlock with a tick saying “SECURE AND VERIFIED” would be just as effective.

The average user doesn't understand TLS but they use it. The average user doesn't understand TCP but they still use it. That doesn't sound like a problem to me. Having signed documents isn't a bad thing.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

rascul wrote: post #377
girvo wrote: post #340

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Antitrust is and has been dead for a long time at this point. It’s not coming back, to the detriment of society.

There's an antitrust case ongoing right now involving Michael Jordan and NASCAR.

Somebody probably regrets skipping the inauguration and donation to the presidential ~slushfund~ [library].

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by throwaway48476 »

supernova87a wrote: post #56

By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases (and we have so many of public interest lately) never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read, right in the story. (and another user here kindly did that for us below: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223... ) It seems such a simple step (they must have been using the rul…

Journalists actively hinder readers from finding the primary source because their coverage outranks it. If readers regularly saw the primary source they would realize how dishonest the Journalists are.

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Post by tallanvor »

dboreham wrote: post #552
gnz11 wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a lot of rightly deserved criticism of the media but the OP describing journalists as conspiring to keep links out in the fear of being fact checked by readers is simply false and indicative of not having any experience at a large news organization.

But there has to be some reason for original source links never appearing in journalist articles.

It's not historically done. Printed newspapers obviously didn't have links and neither did televised news. Even when the news media started publishing online, it's not like the courts were quick to post the decisions online.

And there's also the idea that you should be able to at least somewhat trust the people reporting the news so they don't have to provide all of their references. --You can certainly argue that not all reporters can or should be trusted anymore, but convincing all journalists to change how they work because of bad ones is always going to be hard.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by inetknght »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #454
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #181

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> Google started, developed, and built Chrome into the best browser available today I don’t think this is as settled as you imply. I tend to like Google products, and do almost everything in the Google ecosystem. But my browser is normally brave or Firefox, because better Adblock is so so impactful. I feel that chrome is a valid alternative, but that no browser is really clearly “the best”. In your view, what is it t…

Anecdotally, I've seen many geeks (who certainly don't make their browser choice based on an annoying popup, and are generally more on the anti-Google side) use Chrome rather than Firefox, at conferences etc. (but this is mostly 5+ years ago). Not the majority, but plenty of well-informed opinionated people. I believe especially back then, Chrome performance was significantly better than Firefox. On Android, Firefox…

> Anecdotally, I've seen many geeks use Chrome rather than Firefox, at conferences etc.

Have you asked them why? I'd be willing to bet that it's because of vendor lock-in if you boil down to it. Lots of things only work on Chrome. Video calls are especially prevalent right now, but there's a bunch of bot detection shit that only works on Chrome too.

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

attendant3446 wrote: post #464
x0x0 wrote: post #237

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While I'd love to see google harshly penalized, nobody has proposed an answer that doesn't end with the destruction of essentially the world's only browser. Or it's sale to extremely sketchy people, which I guess also ends in destruction plus with OpenAI or whomever buys it hoovering up as much personal data as they can. So I get not liking this answer, but I haven't heard a better one.

Yeah, without Google's funding, Firefox could be in trouble, but I doubt it will be destroyed. And nobody is selling it. Or what 'only' browser are you talking about? xD

Mozilla's been doing a pretty good job destroying Firefox all by themselves

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Post by johannes1234321 »

matwood wrote: post #412
Rohansi wrote: post #110

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> pretty great at linking you to primary sources Do you check all of the sources though? Those can be hallucinated and you may not notice unless you're always checking them. Or it could have misunderstood the source. It's easy to assume it's always accurate when it generally is. But it's not always.

> It's easy to assume it's always accurate when it generally is. But it's not always. So like a lot of the internet? I don’t really understand this idea that LLMs have to be right 100% of the time to be useful. Very little of the web currently meets that standard and society uses it every day.

It's a question on judgement on the individual case.

A documentation for a specific product I expect to be mostly right, but maybe miss the required detail.

Some blog, by some author I haven't heard about I trust less.

Some third party sites I give some trust, some less.

AI is a mixed bag, while always implying authority on the subject. (While becoming submissive when corrected)

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Post by maxfurman »

deruta wrote: post #530
shmeeed wrote: post #520

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That's an interesting observation. If they don't even use it for advertising, what _IS_ Mozilla doing with all those Google millions? JK, we all know what they're doing with them...

I'm honestly out of the loop, what are they doing?

Paying their executives exorbitant salaries
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