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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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This is an odd comment. Xamarin has never been relevant. GitHub is historically OSS focused. Xamarin was some weird niche product for Windows devs. Hardly any overlap with GitHub’s core audience. I don’t know what will happen next, but hodgepodge of weird MS tech isn’t the lens to view this through.

Didn't the Xamarin guy became the CEO of GitHub at one point?

Yes, and that was an incredibly odd decision.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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The grandparent was also wryly highlighting the crevasse between post-Nadella Microsoft's PR, which you seem to believe, and their actions. Despite "MS And poor Linux users are out here catching strays. Very "don't you say that about the $1T company!!!" of you to defend them, "fellow Linux user" (also very hi fellow kids..)

Then you surely have a laundry list of examples from the last 10 years where MS showed the same anticompetitive nature that they had in the 90s.

Yes, people keep bringing up VSCode all the time, but fanboys are gonna fanboy.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open. Try using VSCodium legally with the same functionality as VSCode; remote development, Python language server, C++ debugging, and so on. People who think Microsoft is doing open source work for the good of their hearts are still in for a lesson in EEE. https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/exte…

As GP said: > Long story short: MS isn't a saint. They are a business. And they have behaved relatively nice for so long that some young adults don't know any other side of MS now. They are a business. You seem to misunderstand that businesses cannot behave like charities. Being a business implies being for-profit. Nobody said open source had to be free as in free beer, it just had to be free as in freedom. It's thei…

I am responding to this:

> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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My guess would be local AI. Apple Silicon is uniquely suitable with its shared memory.

Yeah exactly. The MacBook Pro is by far the most capable consumer device for local LLM. A beefed up NPU could provide a big edge here. More speculatively, Apple is also one of the few companies positioned to market an ASIC for a specific transformer architecture which they could use for their Siri replacement. (Google has on-device inference too but their business model depends on them not being privacy-focused and t…

They are well positioned but have a history of screwing up their AI plays, I hope they can get it right.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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> A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality It's funny that this exact phrase could have been written about Apple in 1998.

Mac OS 8 was new in 1997 and was pretty innovative for user-facing features, if not the underlying operating system. It blew Windows 98 out of the water as far as that went.

MacOS 8 was not innovative by 1997 standards. I had it running on my PowerMac 6100/60. It was crash prone and Netscape could easily crash the entire OS, cooperative multitasking, you as an end user still had to manually allocate how much memory an app could have.

None of these were issues on Windows 98.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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> None of these big tech companies have leveraged AI to build anything remotely interesting from a product perspective The coding agents, CC, Cursor, etc. are quite good and useful.

I explicitly said "big tech companies"; that's FAANG, which does not include OpenAI, Anthropic, Anysphere, or their kin.

with a $500B valuation, I'd say that OpenAI is now "BigTech"

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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> Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will Good grief. Sometimes it's good to get a reminder that there are still people who think this way.

On my office, only folks like myself that also do Windows development, have Thinkpads with Windows. Everyone else carries Apple devices. GNU/Linux only exists on local VMs for containers, or servers on cloud instances.

Ah yes, what could be more stylish and cool than a company assigned work device.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

.NET is now cross platform, but only as long as it doesn't hurt VS sales - I think MSFT doesn't care just as they don't care about GUI workloads, because only thing they care now is having developers run their stuff on Azure. You don't need VS for those cloud .NET apps and you don't need front end frameworks like Forms, Xamarin or MAUI. Seems like C++ is also something they would not be interested investing into when they can get people into cloud easier with C#.

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> Google has world-class research teams that have produced unbelievable models, without any plan at all on how those make it into their products beyond forcing a chat window into Google Drive. NotebookLM is a genuinely novel AI-first product. YouTube gaining an “ask a question about this video” button, this is a perfect example of how to sprinkle AI on an existing product. Extremely slow, but the obvious incremental…

> when they finally execute on the blindingly obvious strategic play that they are naturally positioned for What's that? It's not obvious to me, anyway.

inference hardware, especially starting with on device ai for the mac. I think they should go as far as making a server chip, but that's less obvious today.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

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