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I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by ianburrell »

theendisney wrote: post #15

I want a thick clunky device without a screen that can run for 4-7 days without charging. Then i want 1) a normal size device, 2) a tiny one and 3) a tablet. These should be terminals, little more than a screen, a battery and some radio to communicate with the herefore mentioned brick that does all of the heavy lifting. It needs only 20-30 meter range. The brick may also feature a webserver captive portal with public…

What you need is a power bank. Then you can charge your phone, or any other device Why do you need multiple days? Charge your devices overnight. Get a fast charger that charges in minutes if you forget or are out. There are power banks with builtin chargers.

Also, if you want really small device, I found smartwatches are nice adjunct to phone. Can check notifications and do basic things on watch instead of pulling out phone. The watch uses phone for data, but there is no point in terminals when smartwatch chip can handle that. There are watches with LTE that work without the phone.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by scarface_74 »

sjw987 wrote: post #508
scarface_74 wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pixel is not a “huge portion of the market”. It’s 4% of the market in the US ( https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insight/post-insight-us... ) and a nothingburger outside of it. Globally, Apple has what 20% market share? And besides Qualcomm chips, Apple has a complete separate parts supply chain than Android. Besides, Samsung could definitely create its own small phone and would if there were a market.

Sorry, in my national market. Apple has 51%, Samsung has around 28% and Google 5%. These 3 hold almost 85% of the UK market. Samsung, from what I remember used to side-load tons of apps (some alongside identical stock Android apps), so it's in their best interest to maximise screen time through media apps, which generally work best on a bigger screen. It's against all of these companies interests to sell you a phone…

The UK is less than 1% of the world market. Not exactly representative of the rest of the world…

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by ccorcos »

I want an iPhone Mini-sized iPhone! You can’t buy them anymore and now I have a big phone!

A weird correlation I’ve observed is that many tech savvy designer folks have iPhone mini’s. I think partly because they do their main work on a computer and don’t lean on their phones as much.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by echoangle »

const_cast wrote: post #158
theshackleford wrote: post #117

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> they are awkward and cumbersome to use. For you. As someone with large hands, I appreciate that phones grew in size and I swapped to larger devices as soon as I could.

For... well, most people. Half of people are women, so I don't know how they do it. I'm a man, with man hands, and modern phones are not one hand operable. You need two hands. Even if you can do a particular operation with one hand, the phone is unsteady and it's awkward. I think people with large hands are definitely the minority. So, we're not optimizing for hand size. We're optimizing for engagement, I think.

You can't operate a regular iPhone 16 (147.6 mm x 71.6 mm x 7.8 mm) in one hand? I think you're the exception.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by metabagel »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #464
mtmail wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When asking people if they'd buy a yellow Sony Walkman people said yes. Shortly after given the choice to take one home the same people picked black. https://medium.com/@diogomarta/the-yellow-walkman-paradox-th...

A bunny walks into a bakery. There he asks the baker if he has any carrot cake. The bakers says: ‘No, I don’t sell carrot cake.’ So the bunny leaves, but returns the next day. He once again asks if the baker has any carrot cake. Once more the baker answers: ‘No, I don’t sell carrot cake.’ Once the bunny left, the baker started making a carrot cake thinking the bunny would return the next day for the cake. And so the…

Should be "A bunny hops into a bakery." ;-)

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by const_cast »

theshackleford wrote: post #334
const_cast wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For... well, most people. Half of people are women, so I don't know how they do it. I'm a man, with man hands, and modern phones are not one hand operable. You need two hands. Even if you can do a particular operation with one hand, the phone is unsteady and it's awkward. I think people with large hands are definitely the minority. So, we're not optimizing for hand size. We're optimizing for engagement, I think.

> For... well, most people. You don’t speak for most people. You can only speak for yourself. The feelings of “Most people” are clear as demonstrated by the market; they not only find large phones fine, they find them preferable. > modern phones are not one hand operable So? I mean for me they are so it’s irrelevant, but what should it matter if they are not? The market obviously does not share your interest in devic…

We are in agreement - you appear to be replying to my comment piece by piece without reading all of it.

I'm speaking about the one-hand operability, which I then conclude must not be very important and obviously the market prefers something else.

I will only address this part:

> The market is optimizing for what consumers asked for

This is hopelessly naive. This is true in the same sense that butane rings in cigarettes is optimizing for "what consumers asked for" - more pleasant to smoke cigarettes. Consumers don't know what they want, they're fed whatever is going to make the most money by advertisers. And they will like it, because there is no other choice.

The market is not some perfectly rational machine. It is, often, a self-eating beast, concerned with it's own self-preservation to such a degree that it destroys itself. Had the Tobacco industry chilled, they wouldn't have been eviscerated by legislation. But no - they had to target children, they had to make the death sticks as addictive as possible. As if to put a bright flashing sign on themselves that says "look at me! Regulate me!"

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by franga2000 »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #520
franga2000 wrote: post #435

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Of course, but that's why the bootloader is unlockable. A production device will ship with either a close-to-stock (== close-to-Pixel) ROM or a heavily customized one. If the ROM is closer to stock, it's easier to develop and maintain custom ROMs, so it makes sense to want that as opposed to the alternative.

That doesn’t really help. If you play around with it, the plat integrity test will not pass and there goes too many apps — so that nullifies even MicroG etc as well. I haven’t played around with microg’s #2611 (had seen it on github when it was getting implemented) but the point is — it will remain cat and mouse in this manner and that is a headache one doesn’t want to have on their primary device.

I'm well aware, but I'm not sure what the point here is.

The OP was complaining that the author of the page wants "stock android". On a production device, you can either have 1) the manufacturer's custom version of Androi, 2) a near-stock Android, or 3) your own custom version but with all the usual issue that brings. There is no secret fourth option. So I don't see what the OP's complaint is trying to achieve.

Re: I want an iPhone Mini-sized Android phone (2022)

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Post by garyfirestorm »

rickdeckard wrote: post #422

The hard reality is that there is no PAYING market for such a device, because when it comes to the point-of-sale, most people still choose the normal-size device with better screen/battery/camera. This is equivalent to something I called the "QWERTY paradox" more than a decade ago: Back when the Smartphone market exploded, people disliked typing on a touchscreen and repeatedly stated that they want a device with a ph…

It’s ironic that the author is comparing to iPhone mini which was killed just because of low demand.
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