Preliminary report into Air India crash released

Post by malfist » Sat, Jul 12, 2025, 1:03 PM UTC

russdill wrote: post #124

fsckboy wrote: post #72

it makes sense to me that the pilot who said "I did not do it" actually did do it without realizing it, was supposed to be putting the landing gear up when he committed a muscle memory mistake. it happened around the time the landing gear should be up, and this explanation matches what was said in the cockpit, and the fact that the landing gear wasn't retracted. I think this idea was even floated initially by the you…

There is no possible way to confuse these two actions. There's a reason a wheel is attached to the gear lever.

Post by yard2010 » Sat, Jul 12, 2025, 1:06 PM UTC

ls-a wrote: post #148

decimalenough wrote: post #11

> The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut off. So the fuel supply was cut off intentionally. The swi…

So you're telling me that those switches don't have a voice that says "fuel cutoff switches transitioned" like in the movies? That's bad design

Post by yard2010 » Sat, Jul 12, 2025, 1:10 PM UTC

xenadu02 wrote: post #40

alephnerd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's difficult to conclude anything other than murder-suicide. Is it possible it could have been an accident or a mistake by one of the pilots? How intention-proofed are engine cutoffs?

It could be defective switch springs, fatigue-induced muscle memory error, or something else. The pilot who did it saying he did not may not have realized what he did. It's pretty common under high workload when you flip the wrong switch or move a control the wrong way to think that you did what you intended to do, not what you actually did. That said Boeing could take a page out of the Garmin GI275. When power is re…

Post by seedless-sensat » Sat, Jul 12, 2025, 1:10 PM UTC

1over137 wrote: post #546

briandear wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Landing gear controls are nothing like the fuel shutoffs. And they are in completely different locations. Landing gear controls are in front of the throttle, fuel shutoffs are aft of the throttles.

Is that "nothing like" though? You are saying they are in different places, ok, but are they similar in other ways? Are both controls the same shape? size? colour? texture?

Post by amelius » Sat, Jul 12, 2025, 1:16 PM UTC

superasn wrote: post #430

fsckboy wrote: post #72

it makes sense to me that the pilot who said "I did not do it" actually did do it without realizing it, was supposed to be putting the landing gear up when he committed a muscle memory mistake. it happened around the time the landing gear should be up, and this explanation matches what was said in the cockpit, and the fact that the landing gear wasn't retracted. I think this idea was even floated initially by the you…

Is there a video feed of the cockpit inside the black box? If not there should be one as even my simple home wifi camera can record hours of hd video on the small sd card. And If there is, wouldn't that help to instantly identify such things?