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At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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The same way many think about welfare/unemployment/disability schemes. Constant hoops to jump through to prove they're looking for work or still incapable. Or in the case of illness to prove they're still sick. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59067101

there is lots of welfare fraud. if you think money should just be handed out without question then you start handing your money out first.

Source? DOGE couldn't find any, even with all the ruckus they made.

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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post #543

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Since you brought it up, this political-leaning topic is fair game. > Most claims of racism in America are in fact classism. This is bald-faced racism denialism and makes a sweeping generalization. For example, the Trump administration is going after immigrants not for economic or class reasons but as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large secti…

>ut as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large section of the base of covert and overt racists generally. I mean, here's how I see it, if 100 million Polish people, a very white peoples, suddenly claimed asylum in the US, had 300 million anchor babies to exploit that loophole, used the anchor baby army to claim massive funds of welfare in aggrega…

Not so much a dog whistle as a dog symphony orchestra at this point

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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That's completely backwards. The CIA was very clear that there was nothing there, and the publicly appointed leadership (Rumsfeld, Feith, Cheney, etc) badgered them until they gave in and made some wishy-washy statement that Powell could pretend was real. The war was led from the top - Sec Def and VP. That Bush was a moron and appointed liars to Sec Def and VP is on him. Cheney and Rumsfeld had a long history of maki…

Source being that ridiculous fanfic Cheney movie? You’re even further off than me, even high level CIA was divided, along many other orgs that supported it. Where did Colin Powell get his evidence from? And the OSP? Even if we agreed Iraq wasn’t a good example, it’s irrelevant to the point as I don’t think anyone actually thinks there aren’t powerful and largely behind the scenes figures - defense, lobbying, billiona…

No. The source being that Cheney and Rumsfeld had form going back to the 70's with Team B.

And just like Iraq, they didn't like the story coming out of the CIA that the USSR was a decrepit aging empire that was struggling to maintain parity with NATO. Cheney and Rumsfeld were SURE there were whole secret programs, with secret bases, and secret funding. So they badgered Ford into appointing a parallel team to produce different estimates. That was the whole "missile gap" scare.

Sound familiar? And guess what? It was all bullshit. Just like Iraq turned out to be.

I believe in conspiracies. The 20c was defined by conspiracies! Bolshevism, Naziism, Fascism, Maoism, Scientology, Heavens Gate, etc. The soviets really did fund post-modernism. The CIA really did run the National Review. Those are well documented.

What I don't believe is that Iraq every had even the beginning of a nuclear weapons program. Nobody with any sense did either. All the evidence came from known liars.

As for Powell's evidence: he was a lib, trying to keep the post-war order intact, while Cheney and Bolton were working to blow it up.

Powell knew it was bullshit, but he thought it was a better grade of bullshit that wouldn't make him look like such a moron. All he needed was enough of a figleaf to get either the UN or a compliant Nato to join in. Turns out, the yellow-cake story was such low-grade bullshit he'll never live it down.

There is no fancy latin name for giving known paranoids fantasists like Cheney and Rumsfeld the benefit of the doubt. But there really should be.

I'll grant that Cheney and Rumsfeld have networks in the agencies they could lean on to muddy things. And that deservers the name deep-state. Invisible, and unaccountable.

But you can't really call the gang that led this deep state when they are confirmed by congress, and go on TV.

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you brought it up, this political-leaning topic is fair game. > Most claims of racism in America are in fact classism. This is bald-faced racism denialism and makes a sweeping generalization. For example, the Trump administration is going after immigrants not for economic or class reasons but as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large secti…

>ut as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large section of the base of covert and overt racists generally. I mean, here's how I see it, if 100 million Polish people, a very white peoples, suddenly claimed asylum in the US, had 300 million anchor babies to exploit that loophole, used the anchor baby army to claim massive funds of welfare in aggrega…

Good thing this scenario is entirely fictional. Even if it weren't completely made up, though, you'd still be ethically obligated to assess immigrants as individuals and not simply guilty by association, except perhaps under the most dire wartime circumstances.

You'd also be legally obligated, but to be lawful is not always the same thing as being ethical nor moral.

It would be challenging, I admit, considering the country will have doubled in size with half of them being infants that naturally don't speak English, or any language for that matter.

We really should close that loophole, though. And it definitely is a loophole and not the explicit intention of a constitutional amendment. An oversight to be sure.

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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post #292

I went on a deep dive on this scandal about a year or so ago. One thing that struck me is the class element. Basically, the Post Office leadership could not understand why someone would buy a PO franchise. It's a substantial amount of money up front, and people aren't allowed to buy multiple franchises, so every PO was an owner/operator position. Essentially people were "buying a job". The people in leadership couldn…

So the PO creates a franchise program that they later decide isn't suitable for any sane, good-faith actor, and instead of revising the terms of the franchise program to make it so, they assume that the participants are criminals and prosecute them?

sociopathic lack of empathy basically

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

#556
I worked as a software test analysist (technical tester) for 20 years for a company that processed large amounts of money ( millions of gambling transactions) Our testing had to produce documented repeatable test cases and test evidence of correct software system operation.

My company had to pay third party independent software auditors who would examine the software in the test results in ay way they wanted. This involved re running some of our tests and specific tests requested by the auditor. These audits could range from a few hours to several days depending on the software change.

Auditors would prepare a report for the government department. If there was no repeatable test case and test evidence recorded than the software was regarded as not tested, Making the tests repeatable would sometimes involve in considerable test data setup.

My point is the defense should have kept digging and ask for test evidence that software had been such tested.

( On busy days, the companies software could process $100m or more transactions with transaction speeds of 1000 or more a second, so such testing was important)

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you brought it up, this political-leaning topic is fair game. > Most claims of racism in America are in fact classism. This is bald-faced racism denialism and makes a sweeping generalization. For example, the Trump administration is going after immigrants not for economic or class reasons but as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large secti…

>ut as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large section of the base of covert and overt racists generally. I mean, here's how I see it, if 100 million Polish people, a very white peoples, suddenly claimed asylum in the US, had 300 million anchor babies to exploit that loophole, used the anchor baby army to claim massive funds of welfare in aggrega…

what is racist in what you just said is you decided to bundle all the polish in one indiscriminate entity and punish them collectively despite knowing that some of them did not commit any crime. in fact you decided to sacrifice those because their lives are not worth your attention. and that's racist.

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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What was the actual bug in the software that caused the accounting errors?

The judge’s report[1] lists twenty-eight different classes of failure, including: - Confusing and buggy UI causing clerks to duplicate or mis-enter transactions - Inventory getting “stuck” in branches after the product was discontinued; the attempt to remove it hid the inventory but caused its value to reappear on the books again each accounting period - Failing touch screens entering spurious purchases overnight - I…

Thanks

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>ut as a dogwhistle for their Floridian golf club members who don't like minorities of any sort and to appease a large section of the base of covert and overt racists generally. I mean, here's how I see it, if 100 million Polish people, a very white peoples, suddenly claimed asylum in the US, had 300 million anchor babies to exploit that loophole, used the anchor baby army to claim massive funds of welfare in aggrega…

Good thing this scenario is entirely fictional. Even if it weren't completely made up, though, you'd still be ethically obligated to assess immigrants as individuals and not simply guilty by association, except perhaps under the most dire wartime circumstances. You'd also be legally obligated, but to be lawful is not always the same thing as being ethical nor moral. It would be challenging, I admit, considering the c…

Look over there were Law of Small Numbers can be applied to immigrants that commit crime and exploit the system. Don't believe me, here is a coherent story to help push the narrative. See that one person in this category did something bad so they are all bad!

Ignore all the wage thief and other crimes like poniz scheme's, multi level marketing scheme's, political bribery, and fraud. Those crimes just hurt millions upon millions. Don't look at those numbers, they are too big for anyone to under stand. Focus on that person's skin color and accent. They are the true criminals.

This propaganda is just sickening that it works all to well.

Re: At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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post #204

I went on a deep dive on this scandal about a year or so ago. One thing that struck me is the class element. Basically, the Post Office leadership could not understand why someone would buy a PO franchise. It's a substantial amount of money up front, and people aren't allowed to buy multiple franchises, so every PO was an owner/operator position. Essentially people were "buying a job". The people in leadership couldn…

I suspect there's more to it in than that. I'd wager there was a solid amount of general incompetence involved at the PO "corporate" - management politically couldn't admit that their consultingware could be anything other than perfect, because they signed off on the decision to buy it, and probably on all the work orders that got them to that point. If anyone from PO management or that of the consulting firm (Fujits…

what's the mistake of fujitsu here ? we all know how software is made and that bugs happen and if nobody reports them they never get fixed
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