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Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by llm_nerd »

_heimdall wrote: post #459
saubeidl wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's even crazier is that China are the good guys when it comes to open source AI.

We would have to know their intent to really know if they fit a general understanding "the good guys." Its very possible that China is open sourcing LLMs because its currently in their best interest to do so, not because of some moral or principled stance.

But that's precisely why Meta are the "good guys". They specifically called China the good guys in the same way that Meta is the good guys, though in this case many of the Chinese models are extremely good.

Meta has open sourced all of their offerings purely to try to commoditize the industry to the greatest extent possible, hoping to avoid their competitors getting a leg up. There is zero altruism or good intentions.

If Meta had actually competitive AI offering, there is zero chance they would be releasing any of it.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by sailfast »

softwaredoug wrote: post #539

Mercenaries over missionaries. Many employers want employees to act like cult members. But then when going gets tough, those are often the first laid off, and the least prepared for it. Employers, you can't have it both ways. As an employee don't get fooled.

1000x this. You should ideally feel like you’re part of a great group of folks and doing good work - but this is not a guarantee of anything at all.

When it comes down to it, you’re expendable when your leadership is backed into a corner.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by echelon »

saubeidl wrote: post #504
tim333 wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One private company in China, funded by running a quant hedge fund. I'm not sure China as in Xi is good.

Alibaba and Baidu both open source their models as well.

None of the big tech companies in China are releasing their frontier models anymore.

- Hunyuan Image 2.0 (200 millisecond flux) is not released

- Hunyuan 3D 2.5, the top performing 3D model and an order of magnitude improvement over 2.1, is not released

- Seedream Video, which outperforms Google Veo 3 on ELO rankings, is not released

- Qwen VLo, an instructive autoregressive model, is not released

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by sneak »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #264
burroisolator wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI only got big, especially for coding, because they were able to train on a massive corpus of open source code. I don't think it is a coincidence.

Another funny possibly sad coincidence is that the licenses that made open source what it is will probably be absolutely useless going forward, because as recent precedent has shown, companies can train on what they have legally gained access to. On the other hand, AGPL continues to be the future of F/OSS.

The AGPL is a nonfree license that is virtually impossible to comply with.

It’s an EULA trying to pretend it’s a license. You can’t have it both ways.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by TFYS »

andsoitis wrote: post #503
TFYS wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

International co-operation to control development and usage. The decision to unleash AGI can only be made once. Making such a decision should not be done hastily, and definitely not for the reason of pursuing private profit. Such a decision needs input from all of humanity.

> International co-operation to control development and usage. Non-starter. Why would you trust your adversary to "stay within the lanes". The rational thing to do is to extend your lead as much as possible to be at the top of the pyramid. The arms race is on.

It's rational only if you don't consider the risks of an actual superhuman AGI. Geopolitical issues won't matter if such a thing is released without making sure it can be controlled. These competition based systems of ours will be the death of us. Nothing can be done in a wise manner when competiton forces our hand.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by echelon »

llm_nerd wrote: post #551
_heimdall wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We would have to know their intent to really know if they fit a general understanding "the good guys." Its very possible that China is open sourcing LLMs because its currently in their best interest to do so, not because of some moral or principled stance.

But that's precisely why Meta are the "good guys". They specifically called China the good guys in the same way that Meta is the good guys, though in this case many of the Chinese models are extremely good. Meta has open sourced all of their offerings purely to try to commoditize the industry to the greatest extent possible, hoping to avoid their competitors getting a leg up. There is zero altruism or good intentions…

China nor Meta are the good guys, and they are not stewards of open source AI.

China has stopped releasing frontier models, and Meta doesn't release anything that isn't in the llama family.

- Hunyuan Image 2.0 (200 millisecond flux) is not released

- Hunyuan 3D 2.5, the top performing 3D model and an order of magnitude improvement over 2.1, is not released

- Seedream Video, which outperforms Google Veo 3 on ELO rankings, is not released

- Qwen VLo, an instructive autoregressive model, is not released

The list is much larger than this.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by codedokode »

robocat wrote: post #214
casebash wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, they're actually the bad guys, just folks haven't thought far enough ahead to realise it yet.

> bad guys You imply there are some good guys. What company?

You are searching in the wrong place if you look for "good guys" among commercial companies.

Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by [deleted] »

softwaredoug wrote: post #539

Mercenaries over missionaries. Many employers want employees to act like cult members. But then when going gets tough, those are often the first laid off, and the least prepared for it. Employers, you can't have it both ways. As an employee don't get fooled.

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Re: Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Post by ddellacosta »

pydry wrote: post #102
jrm4 wrote: post #76

Big picture, I'll always believe we dodged a huge bullet in that "AI" got big in a nearly fully "open-source," maybe even "post open-source" world. The fact that Meta is, for now, one of the good guys in this space (purely strategically and unintentionally) is fortunate and almost funny.

Dont make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Mark Zuckerberg. He didnt open source anything because he's a "good guy", he's just commoditizing the complement. The "good guy" is a competitive environment that would render Meta's AI offerings to be irrelevant right now if it didnt open source.

> Dont make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Mark Zuckerberg

Considering the rest of your comment it's not clear to me if "anthropomorphizing" really captures the meaning you intended, but regardless, I love this

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