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Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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I’m not convinced opening up the platform to Chrome skins is good for the web, we’ll just end up with one browser that much faster

Are Safari skins any better? If they opened it, you could run Firefox.

But you wouldn't. Look at desktop browser share.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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I am not sure why I am commenting here but proton, please can you give up an api to your drive (particularly) docs and the fact that now we can have anonymous writes and reads if the document is shared properly can genuinely create an interesting stack for blogs with comment engines and the potential is basically limitless.

I think I haven't asked them but I was just trying to do it and I am so frustrated the best I have got is that there is a way to get a curl command with proper cookies etc. to get text written in the comments section but that text is (rightfully) encrypted and I don't know how to decrypt it... I am not sure.

A really dead simple api or library would be.. wonderful. I wish proton could also go like cloudflare except way way more private and could have some proton s3 or proton workers or something tbh.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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every developer knows safari is the new ie6 but we all just shrug and build native apps anyway because what else are you gonna do. leave 50% of your users on the table. classic embrace extend extinguish but in reverse. embrace web standards then purposely not extend them so you can extinguish competition

Chrome is the new IE6 if anything. Tons of websites fail to work on safari.

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Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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iOS is not the Internet anymore than Jitterbug is telephones.

Nobody made such a claim. If you serve web pages, you likely serve many of your users on their Apple devices. And you can’t support features of the web for those users if Apple doesn’t want them to have those features, and prohibits browsers with other engines that do support them on their App Store, and prohibits other sources of web browsers. That’s called “gatekeeping”.

Yes you did: "Try shipping a web browser not based on Apple’s browser functionality on iOS. See how free of gatekeeping the internet is."

And no, it isn't. Not supporting certain browser features does not direct traffic or even deny access. So you obviously don't know what gatekeeping is.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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I'm not an Apple enthusiast—my rarely used iPad mini is my only Apple device—but let me play devil’s advocate. If a company invests billions in R&D to create hardware and its integrated software, shouldn’t it have the right to control who or what interacts with it? Why should I be forced to open up the carefully designed ecosystem I’ve built? If my pitch is premium, high-speed hardware and intuitive software so user-…

You're not forced to do anything. There are no criminal outcomes of any anticompetitive legislation.

For companies, there are civil outcomes. This may be undesirable if you have a large financial interest in the company, but it's a tradeoff for the same legislative body allowing you to create a shield from personal liability and taxation.

If you are able to create an ecosystem on your own, do what you like with it.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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It's really the most interesting thing I read in this screed, the rest of which seemed to be clueless BS like, "changes to App Store policies that will improve the state of the internet." No. Unlike Google, Meta, and Amazon, Apple is not a gatekeeper to the Internet. They are the gatekeeper to one thing: their own app store. It's tiresome to hear the same anti-"big-tech" hysteria aimed at Apple. They aren't a monopol…

> They are the gatekeeper to one thing: their own app store. They also control the OS and don't allow side-loading or other app stores (without putting absurd obstacles in the way) So in the end they completely control the devices they sell.

So what? So does every game-console manufacturer. Buy a different one.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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>held accountable for predatory behavior? Apple is held accountable by people choosing not to use their device. If iPhone is too expensive for the value it provides people won't use them. >The thing with this 30% tax the private company Apple imposes on a majority of US adults is reasonable? By this logic grocery stores have been applying a 30+% tax to all of America since the country was founded. >but not allowing o…

It might not seem predatory to the end user, but to all developers who want to access these people it's another thing. They can't deliver a mobile app to 60% of Americans without going through Apples little LARP government where they set the tax to 30% and arbitrary rules they see fit to increase their profits. And in the end that affects the end users because more things become useless adfilled crap because it's mor…

>to all developers who want to access these people it's another thing

Developers don't have a right to access other business's customers. If you want to sell jewelry you don't have a right to have your jewelry put into a nation wide jewelry store chain to be able to access most Americans. Customer relationships are a vary valuable asset of a business.

>passively making 30%

It's only passive if you ignore the billions of dollars they dumped into building the ecosystem and growing a customer base that they can monetize to developers.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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At that point consumers would be free to make a choice to switch away from Apple if they value their privacy enough. The problem right now is that Apple is 'abusing' the fact that privacy-aware consumers are drawn to their platform to charge onerous fees to app developers. They're leveraging their (de facto) monopoly on high-end mobile privacy-aware devices to restrict competition in mobile app fee charging. It's tha…

> They're leveraging their (de facto) monopoly If it's necessary to put a qualifier on the word "monopoly", it's a great indication that it's not a monopoly.

Apple unquestionably monopolizes the App Store. Whether or not you consider it a substantial monopoly is it's own thing, but the App Store itself is segregated from competition.

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It might not seem predatory to the end user, but to all developers who want to access these people it's another thing. They can't deliver a mobile app to 60% of Americans without going through Apples little LARP government where they set the tax to 30% and arbitrary rules they see fit to increase their profits. And in the end that affects the end users because more things become useless adfilled crap because it's mor…

>to all developers who want to access these people it's another thing Developers don't have a right to access other business's customers. If you want to sell jewelry you don't have a right to have your jewelry put into a nation wide jewelry store chain to be able to access most Americans. Customer relationships are a vary valuable asset of a business. >passively making 30% It's only passive if you ignore the billions…

It seems we're unable to find common ground. Many governments are pushing back and in the end they're the ones who decide and they don't like Apple taxing everything 30%.

Do you also prefer lightning over USB-C?

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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I'm still stuck on the whole 30% tax. How is that considered even remotely reasonable?

Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft have similar taxes for their game stores where they have monopoly.

Nintendo for example has NDA where you cannot even share online how much they take.

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