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U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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FilosofumRex wrote: post #540
cakealert wrote: post #465

Iran never had the deterrent North Korea had. And by being a theocracy they heavily skewed any threat calculus against themselves. What they were doing, inching towards nukes, was a horrible move. In their position, you either sprint covertly and not play at all. I suspect that after their nuclear program was discovered and set back they fell victim to the sunk cost fallacy and convinced themselves they could repurpo…

Israel defines itself as a "jewish" state, and at least 50% of members of current governing parties in parliament are from religious parties and zionist parties. In what sense Israel is not a theocracy.

Maybe the fact that every single one of these representatives has been appointed in a fair democratic vote?

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Post by vbezhenar »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #485

As someone who absolutely hates American bullying of a hegemony. This is one case where I believe people of Iran might come out beneficial of it. In the long term? I am not so sure. But will that happen? I doubt it. A country like America likes authoritarian regimes that like to listen to America. So Iranian things in the best interest of America would be the same theocracy but docile to America at least in the near…

Trump will declare that his BIG BEAUTIFUL BOMBS won the war, nuclear facilities are no more. Israel cannot claim otherwise, because that would be against big brother. Iran will continue covertly making nuclear bomb, but that will take more years, and will continue peace talks for now. Trump will get Nobel peace prize for peaceful bombing and will be happy.

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codedokode wrote: post #252

I am a little confused. Is bombing a sovereign country under far-fetched excuse considered ok or not today?

There is nothing far-fetched about countering Iran's nuclear ambitions: they have been actively and blatantly pursuing it for decades.

A nuclear armed Iran would quickly lead much of the middle east to pursue their own nuclear weapons programs to counter Iran: in that part of the world, Iran is considered a very serious enemy.

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OhioMan2943 wrote: post #312

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America, the west, much of the not-west, and even much of the middle east, have been working to counter Iran's nuclear ambitions for decades.

In large swaths of the middle east, Iran is considered a dangerous enemy. A nuclear armed Iran would quickly lead to nuclear proliferation throughout the middle east.

This isn't some recent initiative thought up for the heck of it: it's been on ongoing focus for a very long time.

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Post by 9dev »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #515

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> Modern medical, propulsion and research reactors use HEU

This blanket statement is so inaccurate it is useless. HEU is a range, medical or research applications usually use 20–30% enriched Uranium, not the >60% Iran is (has been?) currently working on.

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MarkMarine wrote: post #95

This is astonishing. Our intelligence concluded Iran wasn’t moving towards a nuke and we hit them anyway, using peace negotiations as a ruse. No authorization from the representatives of the people who actually fight in the war, no thought of what this will do. If the comparison with how we treat hostile forces with nuclear weapons wasn’t more stark. N. Korea is basically left alone, their leader praised. Libya gives…

America and the west (and much of the not-west) have been working to counter Iran's nuclear ambitions for decades.

Iran is considered a dangerous enemy in much of the middle east. A nuclear armed Iran would quickly lead to nuclear proliferation throughout the middle east. No one wants an Iran with nukes.

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MangoToupe wrote: post #2

So much for humanity learning from its mistakes....

Much of humanity has learned, and so aggressively pursues anti-proliferation.

America, the west, and many countries beyond the west, have been working to counter Iran's nuclear ambitions for decades.

Iran is detested in much of the middle east. If they get nukes, the rest of the middle east will feel compelled to quickly pursue their own nuclear weapons programs.

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Post by vbezhenar »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #497

I can't help but conclude the primary rogue state in region is not Iran - it's Israel: - Did not sign the non-proliferation treaty - Does not allow IAEA inspectors into their country - Nuclear weapons program widely believed to have started from material stolen from the US - Prime Minister wanted by the ICC for war crimes. Since 2023, they have: - Invaded and occupied parts of Syria and Lebanon - Bombed Syria, Lebano…

US will sell their mother to a devil if that makes good profit. Who cares about Gaza people?

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cakealert wrote: post #465

Iran never had the deterrent North Korea had. And by being a theocracy they heavily skewed any threat calculus against themselves. What they were doing, inching towards nukes, was a horrible move. In their position, you either sprint covertly and not play at all. I suspect that after their nuclear program was discovered and set back they fell victim to the sunk cost fallacy and convinced themselves they could repurpo…

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