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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by uxp100 »

moshegramovsky wrote: post #403
nashashmi wrote: post #312

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Do you know any Israelis? What makes you think Israelis are behind this?

Are suggesting that average Israelis do not support the pressure campaign against universities, even those who generally support Israel’s actions in Gaza? Seems plausible, I haven’t seen any polling about that.

If you are suggesting that Israeli politicians are not involved with American Israel supporters who are advocating a strict crackdown on speech at universities I don’t think that is plausible. We know there is communication between the military and some influential American Israel supporters.

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Post by chneu »

slg wrote: post #547
nashashmi wrote: post #312

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Evangelical Christians are a huge voting block in the US and might be even more supportive of the current Israeli regime than the average Israeli. I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that Israel is controlling the American government as directly as you’re suggesting.

A staggering amount of American Christians support Israel because of their end times prophecy.

I wish I was kidding but I'm not.

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Post by HamsterDan »

scoofy wrote: post #8

If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.

Harvard is a systematically racist institution. They even went to the Supreme Court to fight for the right to discriminate against white and Asian students.

Republicans and Trump-voting independents signed up for this. They want to see Harvard treated the same way it treats others.

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Post by nextos »

kitsune_ wrote: post #214
mrtksn wrote: post #110

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The action by itself comes as a punishment which imply that this is indeed great resource but because Harvard was a naughty boy means that can't have it. I want to note that when Brexit happened EU citizens had about 2 years period to move to UK and just like that get their full rights there and those with enough years of stay had the right to obtain British citizenship. Streamlined process through scanning your id u…

Oxford, Cambridge, ETHZ, EPFL, etc. are probably salivating right now.

Oxbridge suffered a lot of collateral damage from Brexit because of EU funding cuts and massive loss of EU staff and EU students, who now have to pay foreign fees (4-5x regular home fees). An increase in fees also made it prohibitively expensive to hire EU PhD students.

The situation is slowly recovering, as the UK has now first-class access to EU funding programs and there is an open negotiation to bring back home fees for EU students. However, visas are becoming more restrictive and the exceptionally high fees associated with them might be again increasing, which is putting off potential new employees.

Besides, I am not sure Oxbridge has sufficient extra spots for overseas students diverted from the US due to its peculiar tutorial system. There are lots of top EU universities that could collectively benefit from this as they are much cheaper and larger: Heidelberg, TUM, KU, DTU, KI, KTH, etc.

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Post by lurk2 »

axus wrote: post #487
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Freedom of speech and assembly. Visas and academic accreditation shouldn't be leverage against speech the government disagrees with, they should be granted and removed according to a predictable and unbiased process. Really all government actions should follow a predictable and unbiased process, a.k.a "The Law".

> Really all government actions should follow a predictable and unbiased process, a.k.a "The Law".

What law do these deportations violate?

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Post by mschuster91 »

nashashmi wrote: post #312
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

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> Israelis are upset at the student protests and are influencing the university to crush them.

That's putting it mildly. Jewish students got beaten up, spat upon and verbally abused just for being Jewish after Oct 7th. No matter on which side one is in the I/P conflict, there is no justification at all to attack random Jews because of whatever Bibi is doing - it's not just bullshit because what can a Jew in the US even do to change Israeli government policy, but also chances are high that the Jew in question doesn't like Bibi himself.

Academia should be a safe place for everyone who is not a threat to other students, the facilities and the staff - and wearing a kippah or david's star is not being a threat to anyone.

Trump is a fool, this new policy is even more foolish, not to mention blatantly unconstitutional - but it's unfortunately hard to deny that he has a point here.

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Post by FireBeyond »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #425
ivape wrote: post #27

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Can they really do this? You're telling me this is real and not one of those "just for show" things that have no real teeth and will eventually get overturned by a judge?

Absolutely they have explicit powers to do this. Harvard is refusing to comply with the requirements of the visa program that allows them to bring student into the country so the administration is removing Harvard from the program. There is little to no chance of this getting overturned.

That's a weird way of phrasing things. Harvard isn't "bringing students into the country" in the way an employer might relocate an employee.

People want to study in the US, and the administration is revoking Harvard's ability to be on the list of study destinations.

The students want to go to Harvard, it's not that Harvard wants the students (of course they do, but that's not the direct concern here).

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Post by chneu »

jaoane wrote: post #474
jorblumesea wrote: post #455

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neo-fascism because eggs were expensive, nice job American voters.

It's not surprising that people chose being able to afford food over intellectualism.

Lol no. White Americans are upset that theyre being held responsible for our racist and bigoted past.

Trump is a result of white Americans having to deal with our racist past and the reaction.

Unfortunately nobody likes to be told their success is built on slavery and theft, so we wind up with this wild backlash.

This is a tantrum from white Americans who don't want to be called racist, transphobic, even though they are.

A month or two ago a podcast, I believe Radiolab, straight up asked the woman who was responsible for many of the book bans in the US. Her reply was seriously that she didn't want her kids to feel bad for what their ancestors did.

It's seriously just a tantrum from white Americans who want to deny our history. That's the most American thing I can possibly imagine.

I wish I was kidding but that's really what it is. White Americans get suuuuper upset if you bring up these things.

Remember when Hilldog called trump supporters "deplorables" and his ratings shot up?

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Post by mmooss »

alpaca128 wrote: post #349
mmooss wrote: post #234

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> Checks and balances are just words. By that logic, Trump's orders are just words. The Trump administration obeys the courts - they push the envelope way too far, but it is still rule of law.

They deported a man to El Salvador against a court order and then ignored an order from the Supreme Court to return him.

That's one person. While it's very important, it doesn't at all mean the courts don't exit.

> order from the Supreme Court to return him.

The Supreme Court did not order that.

Edit: If you object to these things, realize you are helping the Trump administration by spreading exaggerated fears about what's happening. They want people to believe they are super-powerful, unstoppable, inevitable; it intimidates people into inaction. Also, without accurate information, people can't make good decisions and act - you are helping a propaganda campaign (unwittingly). And finally, spreading fear is not what good, responsible leaders - or teammates - do.

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