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Post by BeFlatXIII »

hooverd wrote: post #332
BosunoB wrote: post #198

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Robotics will come in the next few years. If you believe the AI2027 guys, though, the majority of work will be automated in the next 10 years, which seems more and more plausible to me every day.

Are you independently wealthy enough to benefit from that or someone who should invest in suicide pills for themselves and their family if that day comes?

Why invest in weaksauce suicide pills when you could instead invest in nitrogen compounds and suicide bomb the tallest nearby building? Just because you've already lost doesn't mean they get to win, let alone survive.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

jplusequalt wrote: post #529
BeFlatXIII wrote: post #522

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I don't care at all about the philosophy of art. I have creative goals in mind and not enough time to become competent at all the prerequisite skills to master them.

>I have creative goals in mind and not enough time to become competent at all the prerequisite skills to master them You are consuming, not creating.

Cool story; don't care.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by rtkwe »

oliwary wrote: post #408

This demo video of Veo 3 on reddit, featuring a variety of characters talking in different scenarios and accents, is one of the most incredible AI demos I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1krmsns/wtf_ai_vid... Created by Ari Kuschnir

A very important demo video I also found on reddit is this one [0] that's a fairly generic series of action scenes of a raid leading to a gun fight. The individual scenes are look mostly fine, notable exceptions being the muzzle flashes and nonsense guns in a few shots, but the connecting flow is nonsense if you look at it even a little. It has some of the consistency issues that are a bit of a halmark of AI videos, the interior size and layout of rooms and vehicles morphs and shifts from 'shot' to 'shot', they get out of the vehicle twice, etc. The wheels really come off in the more actiony scene though with the pace feeling very plodding for what would be an intense scene in even a moderately competitent human editor. Also some of the 'cops' wind up shooting each other in one scene which was a funny mistake.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1kru6jb/this_video...

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by rtkwe »

anilgulecha wrote: post #383

I'd made a prediction/bet a month ago, predicting 6 months to a full 90 minute movie by someone sitting on their computer. [0] The pace is so crazy that was an over estimation! I'll probably get done in 2. Wild times. 0: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7317975...

There's still a lot of work to be done. It's good at making short individual scenes but when you start trying to string them together the wheels start to come off a lot. This [0] pretty basic police raid leads to shootout video for example turns to mush pretty quick because even in the initial car ride the interior of the car's size and shape warps pretty drastically.

Feels like there's going to be a dichotomy where the individual visuals look pretty good taken by themselves but the story told by those shots will still be mushy AI slop for a while. I've seen this kind of mushy consistency hold up over the generations so far, it seems very difficult to remove becasue it relies on more context than just previous images and text descriptions to manage.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1kru6jb/this_video...

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by hooverd »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #551
hooverd wrote: post #332

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Are you independently wealthy enough to benefit from that or someone who should invest in suicide pills for themselves and their family if that day comes?

Why invest in weaksauce suicide pills when you could instead invest in nitrogen compounds and suicide bomb the tallest nearby building? Just because you've already lost doesn't mean they get to win, let alone survive.

Maybe we'll get the Iain Banks Culture future!

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Post by I-M-S »

jplusequalt wrote: post #547
alickz wrote: post #537

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Would you consider film directors to be artists?

Yes! Directors orchestrate hundreds of people and other creatives, have a say in how scenes are shot, how actors perform their lines, which music gets used, which lines need to be changed or added, etc. Not to mention that many directors also write the script for the film.

Wouldn't all this hold true for AI videos as well, it's just that you'll be going through hundreds of prompts and bad generations before you get to something approaching your vision?

N.B. If directing people is the distinguishing factor, then animation directors are robbed of their claim to artistry as well, as is basically any solo artist in history

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by jplusequalt »

I-M-S wrote: post #556
jplusequalt wrote: post #547

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Yes! Directors orchestrate hundreds of people and other creatives, have a say in how scenes are shot, how actors perform their lines, which music gets used, which lines need to be changed or added, etc. Not to mention that many directors also write the script for the film.

Wouldn't all this hold true for AI videos as well, it's just that you'll be going through hundreds of prompts and bad generations before you get to something approaching your vision? N.B. If directing people is the distinguishing factor, then animation directors are robbed of their claim to artistry as well, as is basically any solo artist in history

I never said directing people is the distinguishing factor. I only said a director is an artist as they are deeply involved in the creation of the art in question. There is no hidden layer of linear algebra that obfuscates the creative process and that does the majority of the work.

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Post by WheelsAtLarge »

bathtub365 wrote: post #548
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Looks like AI crossed a line. At the very least, one person can do long form documentaries from their basement using VEO 3. There is no need for camera shoots. Yikes. This reminds me of Pixar's video of an animated lamp 40 years ago. I remember that within 5 years Toy Story came out and changed everything on how animated films were made. Looks to me like we are on our way to doing the same thing with realistic movies…

What are they documenting if it’s entirely AI generated images?

Good point, how about something history related? Ken burns does something similar with photos. I've also seen animation used in documentaries. So use AI instead. How about a mock documentary? Spinal Tap comes to mind.

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Post by Flamentono2 »

afroboy wrote: post #541
Flamentono2 wrote: post #479

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AI porn already exist. Im pretty sure kid/child ai porn already exist somewhere. But i'm quite lucky despite knowing rotten.com and plenty of other sides, never having seen real so i doubt i will see fake child porn. Whats the elephant in the room now? Nothing changed. Whoever consumes real will consume fake too. FBI/CIA will still try to destroy cp rings. We could even think it might make this situation somehow bett…

> Whats the elephant in the room now? Your family will be target for example, just imagine your daughter in high-school getting bullied by these type of generated AI videos. it's easy to say nothing happen, but when it happen to you you will be aware how fucked is these AI videos.

If someone bullies someone else, they will do it with anything they have.

At least with AI Video you can now always say its AI video.

Is it shitty that this is possible? yes of course. But hidding knowledge never works.

We have to deal with it as adults. We need to educate about it and we need to talk about it.

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Post by Flamentono2 »

bamboozled wrote: post #531
Flamentono2 wrote: post #473

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We don't have an energy problem on earth. We have a capitalism problem. Renewable energy is easily able to provide enough energy sustainable. Batteries can be recycled. Solar panels are glas/plastic and silicium. Nuclear is feasable, fusion will happen in 50 years one way or the other. Existens is what it is. If it means being able to watch cat videos, so be it. We are not watching them for nothing, we watch them for…

Existens is what it is. If it means being able to watch cat videos, so be it. We are not watching them for nothing, we watch them for happiness. Well that's just your opinion. Yes we can generate electricity, but it would be nice if used it wisely.

Of course its my opinion, its my comment after all.

Nonetheless, survival can't be the life goal after all the moon will drift away from earth in the future, the sun will explode and if we survive that as a species, all bonds between elements will disolve.

It also can't be about giving your dna away because your dna has very little to no impact over just a handful of generations.

And no the goal of our society has to be to have as much energy available as possible to us. So much energy, that energy doesn't matter. There is enough ways of generating energy without a real issue at all. Fusion, renewable energy directly from the sun.

There is also no inherant issue right now preventing us all having clean stable energy besides capitalsm. We have the technology, we have the resources, we have the manufacturing capacity.

To finish my comment: Its not about energy, its about entropy. You need energy to create entropy. We don't even consume the energy of the sun, we use it for entropy and dissipate it back to space after.

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