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Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by ArthurStacks »

auggierose wrote: post #539
ArthurStacks wrote: post #518

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Why? We fully checked the design, what he built, and it was fully tested over weeks for security and stability. Don't parrot what you read online that these systems are unable do this stuff. It's from the clueless or devs coping. Not only are they capable but theyre improving by the month.

Oh, they are definitely capable, I am using them every day, and build my own MCP servers. But you cannot test a distributed system "fully". The only test I believe in is understanding every single line of code myself, or knowing that somebody else does. At this point, I don't trust the AI for anything, although it makes a very valuable assistant. Very soon our AI built software systems will break down in spectacular…

I have no idea why you think you can't test a distributed system. Hopefully you are not in the business of software development. You certainly wouldnt be working at my company.

Secondly, people are not just blindly having AI write code with no idea how it works. The AI is acting as a senior consultant helping the developer to design and build the systems and generating parts of the code as they work together.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by namesbc »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #512
ssalazar wrote: post #454

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I code with multiple LLMs every day and build products that use LLM tech under the hood. I dont think we're anywhere near LLMs being good at code design. Existing models make _tons_ of basic mistakes and require supervision even for relatively simple coding tasks in popular languages, and its worse for languages and frameworks that are less represented in public sources of training data. I am _frequently_ having to t…

I run a software development company with dozens of staff across multiple countries. Gemini has us to the point where we can actually stop hiring for certain roles and staff have been informed they must make use of these tools or they are surplus to requirements. At the current rate of improvement I believe we will be operating on far less staff in 2 years time.

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Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by ArthurStacks »

nnnnnande wrote: post #538
ArthurStacks wrote: post #527

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Oh, just like every other business then! That's a nice strategic differentiator. Look, I'm sure focusing on inputs instead of outcomes (not even outputs) will work out great for you. Good luck!

Weve done this since 1995 and it works perfectly well.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by izacus »

moregrist wrote: post #476
babyshake wrote: post #450

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Automation allows one worker to do more things in less time, and allows an organization to have fewer workers doing those things. The result, it would seem, is more people out of work and those who do have work having reduced wages, while the owner class accrues all the benefits.

Table saws do not seem to have reduced the demand for good carpenters. Demand is driven by a larger business cycle and comes and goes with the overall housing market. As best I can tell, LLMs don’t really reduce the demand for software engineers. It’s also driven by a larger business cycle and, outside of certain AI companies, we’re in a bit of a tech down cycle. In almost every HN article about LLMs and programming…

> Table saws do not seem to have reduced the demand for good carpenters. Demand is driven by a larger business cycle and comes and goes with the overall housing market.

They absolutely did. Moreover, they tanked the ability for good carpenters to do work because the market is flooded with cheap products which drives prices down. This has happened across multiple industries resulting in enshittification of products in general.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by auggierose »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #551
auggierose wrote: post #539

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Oh, they are definitely capable, I am using them every day, and build my own MCP servers. But you cannot test a distributed system "fully". The only test I believe in is understanding every single line of code myself, or knowing that somebody else does. At this point, I don't trust the AI for anything, although it makes a very valuable assistant. Very soon our AI built software systems will break down in spectacular…

I have no idea why you think you can't test a distributed system. Hopefully you are not in the business of software development. You certainly wouldnt be working at my company. Secondly, people are not just blindly having AI write code with no idea how it works. The AI is acting as a senior consultant helping the developer to design and build the systems and generating parts of the code as they work together.

Well, and I wouldn't buy anything your company produces, as you cannot even interpret my statements properly.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by DonHopkins »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #553
nnnnnande wrote: post #538

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Oh, just like every other business then! That's a nice strategic differentiator. Look, I'm sure focusing on inputs instead of outcomes (not even outputs) will work out great for you. Good luck!

Weve done this since 1995 and it works perfectly well.

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Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by ArthurStacks »

namesbc wrote: post #552
ArthurStacks wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run a software development company with dozens of staff across multiple countries. Gemini has us to the point where we can actually stop hiring for certain roles and staff have been informed they must make use of these tools or they are surplus to requirements. At the current rate of improvement I believe we will be operating on far less staff in 2 years time.

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We have a very successful company that has been running 30 years, with developers across 6 countries. We just make sure we hire developers who know that theyre here to do a job, on our terms, for which they will get paid, and its our way or the highway. If they dont like it, they dont have to stay. However, through doing this we have maintained a standard that our competitors fail at, partly because they spend their time tiptoeing around staff and their comforts and preferences.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by hjgjhyuhy »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #512
ssalazar wrote: post #454

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I code with multiple LLMs every day and build products that use LLM tech under the hood. I dont think we're anywhere near LLMs being good at code design. Existing models make _tons_ of basic mistakes and require supervision even for relatively simple coding tasks in popular languages, and its worse for languages and frameworks that are less represented in public sources of training data. I am _frequently_ having to t…

I run a software development company with dozens of staff across multiple countries. Gemini has us to the point where we can actually stop hiring for certain roles and staff have been informed they must make use of these tools or they are surplus to requirements. At the current rate of improvement I believe we will be operating on far less staff in 2 years time.

I believe that at current rate your entire company will become irrelevant in 4 years. Your customers will simply use Gemini to build their own software.

Better start applying!

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by enneff »

1024core wrote: post #428
acedTrex wrote: post #358

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> It's entirely clear that every last human will be beaten on code design in the upcoming years In what world is this statement remotely true.

Proof by negation, I guess? If someone were to claim: no computer will ever be able to beat humans in code design, would you agree with that? If the answer is "no", then there's your proof.

That is so only if by “upcoming years” they mean “any point in the future”. I think they meant “soon”, though.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

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Post by ArthurStacks »

hjgjhyuhy wrote: post #558
ArthurStacks wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run a software development company with dozens of staff across multiple countries. Gemini has us to the point where we can actually stop hiring for certain roles and staff have been informed they must make use of these tools or they are surplus to requirements. At the current rate of improvement I believe we will be operating on far less staff in 2 years time.

I believe that at current rate your entire company will become irrelevant in 4 years. Your customers will simply use Gemini to build their own software. Better start applying!

Wrong. Because we dont just write software. We make solutions. In 4 years we will still be making solutions for companies. The difference will be that the software we design for that solution will likely be created by AI tools, and we get to lower our staff costs, whilst increasing our output and revenue.
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