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I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt

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Re: I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt

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You are not denying food to the parents, you are denying food to the children. They did not choose to be born, and they certainly didn’t choose the fiscal responsibility of their parents. Maybe there is room in there to shame the parents or give them a slap on the wrist, but the kids are blameless and denying them food makes you probably a monster.

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Re: I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt

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Meanwhile, in Texas (~2005), we weren't even allowed to leave the building to eat on the patio outside in high school. Something I thought a lot about when I moved to Mexico and saw kids leaving school at lunch to wander out and eat lunch together in the surrounding part of the city. Too much dangerous liability to allow going outside during lunch hours in a wealthy part of Texas, but not in Guadalajara, Mexico and n…

> Meanwhile, in Texas (~2005), we weren't even allowed to leave the building to eat on the patio outside in high school. > Too much dangerous liability to allow going outside during lunch hours in a wealthy part of Texas, but not in Guadalajara, Mexico and nor of the world. Sigh. Do you think it actually was or is the US just really strict about this?

I think there's just liability creep in the US that over time leads to zero-tolerance policies that win over, say, adult discretion.

For example, in the same high school, I had an unopened beer can on the floor of my car from the weekend, and one of our golf cart parking lot cops saw it while doing her window snooping. And I got sent to reassignment school for a month and a minor in possession charge even though various people in the faculty thought it was unfair that I couldn't just dispose of it and go on my way since I was a good student who clearly wasn't intending to drink at school.

Meanwhile my dad said just decades earlier he kept his BB rifle in the bed of his truck when he drove to high school in Houston. Something that would probably get SWAT called on you if they found it in your truck by the time I went to high school.

Re: I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt

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This is wild to me. In Estonia school lunches are free for everyone, paid by the taxpayer. Doesn't matter if you are poor or wealthy, everybody gets the same food.

Interesting. In the Netherlands we packed our lunches or we cycled home to eat lunch with our parents and then cycled back to school. Lunch was one of the most favorite times of my day. A break from school during school hours. What a treat!

Yeah this is the part I don't understand; if a family can't afford a school lunch, can they afford a packed lunch at least? The concept of a school even having the facilities for a full lunch only became a thing in tertiary education for me, before that it was at best a hot snack or some soup. But this is Dutch 90's privilege to a point, elementary school was in cycling range, we had an hour and a half of lunch break, and I had a stay at home parent. Secondary school was only a few hundred meters further away than elementary school. Tertiary was in the next town over, 20 minute bike ride.

Either way, it made no economic sense to pay for lunch, so for most of it I had some sandwiches, this was the norm for most people. I'm nearly 40 now and still (should) bring a packed lunch to the office, because going out for lunch costs €10,- easily. If I went to the office every day like in the Before Times, that'd be around €200,- a month or €2400 a year, which is A Lot.

Re: I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt

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As someone who experienced this first hand growing up. I consider how someone feels about free school lunch, a basic test of their humanity. If you think kids should go hungry or be embarrassed at school because of their parents finances… we can’t be friends, nor acquaintances. IMHO, you are subhuman at that point and not worth my time. My dad believed that because he paid taxes he shouldn’t have to pay the school to…

One should not view others as subhuman because of the ideas they hold.

Re: I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt

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Interesting. In the Netherlands we packed our lunches or we cycled home to eat lunch with our parents and then cycled back to school. Lunch was one of the most favorite times of my day. A break from school during school hours. What a treat!

Yeah, dry bread and cheese..

Add butter and make sure it's in a good container, but granted, cheese on its own is kinda boring.

Re: I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt

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Is America planning on reducing its insanely high military budget?

I hope so. I'm favor of us dramatically scaling back our military commitments, including pulling out of NATO.

Yet America elected a president who doesn't want to cut a cent of defence spending, just redirect it to his mates.

Re: I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt

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Yeah, dry bread and cheese..

Read the HN guidelines. I didn't downvote you, as I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, but it reads as a sarcastic snarky comment [1]. It's bread, butter and cheese. Not dry bread and cheese. I didn't eat that as a kid though, I hated cheese when I was young. The quality of the bread varies, depending on the views of the household. The way I grew up everyone favored white bread but me. I always ate brown bread.…

Brown bread is the superior one; white bread just feels like a snack, it doesn't last. Just not the whole grain, seedy, or extra dark ones, plain brown is fine.

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> There are no moral hazards when it comes to social welfare programs. This is a wild statement. Of course people take advantage of welfare programs. Of course welfare programs have unintended consequences and sometimes encourage immoral or anti-social behavior. That doesn't mean they're all bad or that they need to be completely eliminated, but leading with this obvious falsehood made it very hard to read the rest o…

This is exactly why I stake out such a strong position, so that positions like this poke their heads up. Individuals getting benefits when they're ineligible accounts for tiny amounts of the total fraud in these programs. Time after time we discover at least one of two things: - The effort/cost required to reduce fraud usually overshadows the cost of the fraud itself and also dramatically reduces the benefits of the…

You swept the issue of fraudulent social security disability claims under the rug. It seems apparent to me that your attitude toward individual level accountability is one that denies agency of the individual and ascribes their moral failures as a result of societal-level problems. After all, there is no moral hazard when individuals have no moral agency to begin with.
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