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A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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>With all those missing of basic features why is it still 20k and not 10k? Because you can't sell a car for 10k in the US without losing money.

I never bought a car for more than 10k. Seems like a huge waste of money.

... are you complaining that the price of a new vehicle is higher than the price of a used vehicle?

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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For anyone curious, if you made a similarly sized gas-powered pickup with an i4 engine, it would be penalized more than a full-sized pickup for being too fuel inefficient, despite likely getting much better mileage than an F-150 because, since 2011, bigger cars are held to a lesser standard by CAFE[1]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy...

This is largely why all the vehicles around us have become supersized. It's completely idiotic.

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Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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150 mile range makes it close to useless. As soon as you take it on a highway, the range will likely drop by half. Which means you can only do a round trip of 37 miles before you have to charge. Even a very aerodynamic Model 3 loses half of range at highway speeds. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/vkz0SOnR45Gved9B-q9n...

EVs dont lose 50% of their range at highway speeds. Even if they did, I'm not sure why you think you could only go 37 miles between charges (I think you meant 75 mi?).

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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The problem with bench seating is not side impact but accidental steering wheel input during hard cornering. In the typical 10 and 2 hand position having your butt move makes your shoulders move, the shoulders make the hands move, and now you’re understeering. Understeering on a mountain road likely means death, and on other roads a ditch or hitting a phone pole.

Steering position has been taught as 9 and 3 for a long time now… but still fair point. You can add a bit of alcantara to the seat to help you stay in place though. My RDX has it for the sporty-ish trim and it helps.

It’s never 9 and 3 in a turn though is it. It’s more like 8 and 1. Or just 1.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#555

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Example #5621 that a simple carbon tax would be miles better than the complex morass of regulations we currently have.

I think the best way is to tax fuel itself. This way worse mpg result in more tax. Tax diesel more than gasoline, LNG less.

That makes sense, but there would be no incentive to switch to an engine that emits less carbon for the same fuel consumption (if such a thing exists)

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Fine print: The truck in the link is only $20K after government subsidies/rebates. So if the government gives my tax dollars to buyers of this truck, then it will cost $20K.

Electric vehicle tax credits are non-refundable tax credits meaning you can't get a credit for more than you owe. [1][2] Which means no one is getting your tax dollars to buy vehicles (though there may be some infrastructure or manufacturing grants for companies). [1] https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12600 [2] https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tax-credits-for-individuals-wha...

>Which means no one is getting your tax dollars to buy vehicles

Then who is making up the difference between the tax that would have been paid, and the credit reduction?

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#557

I'm quite excited about this. Ticks all my boxes for "low" tech, simple, moddable, useful, and cheap. I'm hoping my aging Pontiac Vibe holds out long enough to upgrade to one of these, if they succeed. I put in a preregistration!

The problem is, the kind of person who cares about those things, as valid as they are, buys 0-1 cars per 20 years, and the market is driven (ha ha) by people who buy 2-3 cars every 2 years.

Hah. Fair point. I'm around 210k miles and aiming to squeeze as many more out of it as I can.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#559

I'm quite excited about this. Ticks all my boxes for "low" tech, simple, moddable, useful, and cheap. I'm hoping my aging Pontiac Vibe holds out long enough to upgrade to one of these, if they succeed. I put in a preregistration!

Hell yeah Pontiac Vibe! My 2008 is at 308k! I’ll drive into the ground

Niice, giving me hope! My '06 is showing its age, but I hope it's got another 100k in her!

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

#560

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I think the best way is to tax fuel itself. This way worse mpg result in more tax. Tax diesel more than gasoline, LNG less.

That makes sense, but there would be no incentive to switch to an engine that emits less carbon for the same fuel consumption (if such a thing exists)

You don't create carbon out of thin air, it's from the fuel, so burning the same quantity of fuel will result in the same quantity of carbon, no matter how the engine works. Therefore a tax on fuel is a tax on carbon.
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