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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by maximusdrex »

snailmailman wrote: post #488
maximusdrex wrote: post #164

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I truly don’t understand how these types of comments keep appearing under any discussion of apple’s blatantly anti-competitive behavior with messages. This doesn’t even make sense on technical grounds; it would be trivial to require such message passing to be encrypted/signed securely if that’s your real concern. After all, the Apple Watch does exist and does have these capabilities, so it’s clearly possible to do it…

It’s not just the transmission over Bluetooth. It’s the entirety of what happens with the message. Apple fully controls and trusts the code that’s running on the apple watch. But they have no control over what third parties do with all the data they can collect in notifications. Bluetooth devices on iOS that display notifications already are getting more information than normal by simply even reading all notification…

Again there is no technical rigor behind these notions. Video providers didn’t like the idea of untrusted HDMI devices scraping video from DRM protected content so they came up with HDCP, which allows anyone to develop and certify solutions as trusted software/hardware. There’s no reason apple can’t do something similar, it doesn’t have to be completely open vs. completely closed. There are always alternative solutions to the problems that people think apple’s walled garden approach is solving; which makes it clear what the real purpose is.

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Post by dolmen »

avgDev wrote: post #95
diggan wrote: post #61

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Don't forget the classic "Oh, that 3rd party app/feature is so popular, I bet we could build a identical/slightly less useful thing ourselves so people don't have to use other things than Apple software ever"

Then they will hit you with, "We do this for safety of your data, we don't want bad actors getting health info from your watch". I enjoy apple devices but hate the walled garden.

I don't want Apple either to get access to my health info, so I don't have such device from Apple.

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Post by noname120 »

rickdeckard wrote: post #73

> "Apple’s “Watch Policy” annoys me, but not enough to switch to Android. I hope Apple will be forced to improve their compatibility with other watches." The conundrum of "[xyz] annoys me, but not enough to [do anything about it], yet I hope [Company] will be forced to improve [xyz]" So where is that 'force' expected to come from...?

There is a thing called regulation.

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Post by NotPractical »

crazygringo wrote: post #549
NotPractical wrote: post #546

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> ...but the Apple ecosystem has the best tech You aren't in any position to make that call, since you have no opportunity to try competing products due to being locked in to an anticompetitive ecosystem. European iOS users will soon be able to decide if Apple really does have the best tech or not.

What are you talking about? I can try all the competing products compatible with Android and Windows. I'm not locked into anything Apple because they're not a monopoly. I am very much in a position to "make that call".

You said that Apple makes the best tech, but you wouldn't know, because you cannot pair third party accessories with your Apple devices and have them work properly, so you cannot determine if third parties are capable of making accessories better than Apple or not.

Whether or not a third party is capable of making a better "ecosystem" of interconnected devices is a separate concern; I'm talking about accessories here, which is the topic at hand.

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Post by distrill »

skyyler wrote: post #360
distrill wrote: post #172

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the thing i hear most frequently is naming group chats with mixed device users

Weird, that seems to work for my partner. I wonder what's breaking for your wife.

perhaps i'm out of date! this may have resolved with the recent increased support of rcs and i maybe haven't heard this complaint lately, it's worth checking into again.

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Post by frollogaston »

basisword wrote: post #306
bloppe wrote: post #301

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The "closed" approach is way better when it involves guardrails rather than handcuffs. Pixels offer guardrails; they're just as secure as iPhones but offer a lot more freedom to power users. Android is a lot more than just Pixels though and some of the other OEMs don't provide security updates quite as timely, creating a bad reputation

I’m not sure I agree. I’ve seen tech illiterate family members screw up Pixels and Samsung devices in the same way they screwed up Windows systems in the past. Even the most tech illiterate family members have done nothing bad to their iPhones. In fact I know one that was still using an iPhone 7 until last year and it was very functional. Two year old top of the line Samsung phones are crawling after two years. All a…

Except forget the Apple ID password, then it's game over

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Post by rezonant »

Avamander wrote: post #237
lern_too_spel wrote: post #219

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Bluetooth is encrypted.

Should be, but BT stacks are super crap and it's hard to truly guarantee that. Pretty sure they do not currently require the highest (actually proper) security level from everyone.

So Apple's BT stack is crap? Because that's the one that is in control here...

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Post by ziofill »

bigyabai wrote: post #523
duped wrote: post #496

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> You can thank Apple for the Lightning connector Thanks Apple, for switching connectors on your mobile devices once in 25 years and enforcing standards on 3p peripheral and cable manufacturers, until a government forced you to change making me throw all my cables away.

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I hope you learn to respect other users here by moderating the way you talk to them.

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Post by pb7 »

avgDev wrote: post #284
jmb99 wrote: post #266

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> As a customer I would like to be able to make that decision. You can. There are dozens (hundreds?) of phones you can buy that aren’t an iPhone. It’s been well known for nearly 20 years at this point that iPhones are more closed than the competition (of which, again, there is a lot). They are successful because of this, not in spite of it, contrary to internet belief.

I know. However, apple devices have been just more reliable for me and retain better resale.

Why do you think they are more reliable and have better resale value?

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Post by rambambram »

frankvdwaal wrote: post #498
rambambram wrote: post #370

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Gen Z speak? I thought it was 'hood speak' or something. Like: I'm going to cap your sorry ass. I'm not a native English speaker, so what do I know.

A lot of slang comes from street language, so that thought may still be right. :) It's a decades old word that used to mean trying to one up someone with tough talk, exaggerating, topping someone. That talk would be so high above the others, it would be the cap on top. Now to have a good story, to have that cap, people could be... flexible with the truth, so eventually, over the years, to cap started to mean that you…

Thanks, now I also know where the word comes from.
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