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The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by throw10920 »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #531
OKRainbowKid wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the subtitle of the DW link: "One of the suspects was accused of a violent attack on a state politician." Seems like this was not just about posting memes.

The articles are about a handful of cases. You ignored all the others which were non violent and picked the irrelevant detail to share deceitfully as representative of the rest.

That seems to be a common tactic for authoritarians trying to control others by taking away their speech rights.

Notice also that the poster was only accused, not found liable or convicted. That means almost nothing - you can accuse anyone of anything.

Notice also the guilt by association, where the possibility of the poster committing violence (which isn't impossible) is used to try to invalidate their right to speech.

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by throw0101d »

flyinglizard wrote: post #410
foven wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More to the point, when you write an article like this foretelling the doom of the american economy, why would you think you are able to brain drain any country? What stops the countries you are trying to drain from offering better incentives to stay?

At this point in time, US is the global leader in personal freedoms, culture and financial opportunities. These are the things people are looking to immigrate towards. Personal freedoms can't be manufactured. They are a product of the underlying system governing a country. The US has very strong institutions and legal framework in the form of the constitution (again, at this point in time; I expect the current admin…

> At this point in time, US is the global leader in personal freedoms, culture and financial opportunities.

What metric is this being measured by?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by foldr »

Clubber wrote: post #460
dudefeliciano wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is there any reliable source for that "going to jail in europe for posting memes"? I keep seeing this argument in online arguments, but can not find a credible source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925 https://www.cheshire.police.uk/news/cheshire/news/articles/2... These things seem abhorrent to Americans who have nearly unlimited free speech protection.

You can also be arrested and jailed for social media posts in the US if those posts break the law. For example:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/social-media-influencer...

This “arrested for a meme” meme is so dumb. What’s important is the content of the meme, not the fact that it’s a meme.

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by CraigJPerry »

rachofsunshine wrote: post #469
RivieraKid wrote: post #440

This started out interesting but then the red flags started to pop up. Going to jail in Europe for posting memes, gold standard, salivating over doing something that benefits the US and hurts countries that are already poorer than the US. He has strong opinions on economics, but doesn't understand it. His points about economics are partially true but either subtly incorrect or interpreted incorrectly.

There's this piece of product-management wisdom that I've been thinking about lately, which is that users almost always understand their problems better than you do. If the metrics say things are going well, and your users say everything sucks, your metrics are probably wrong. But the complement to that is that users mostly suck at solutions: you understand the constraints and difficulties of your product better than…

I really like this framing. Thanks for sharing. There’s quite a few (hard) problems end up following this pattern.

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by JeremyNT »

RivieraKid wrote: post #440

This started out interesting but then the red flags started to pop up. Going to jail in Europe for posting memes, gold standard, salivating over doing something that benefits the US and hurts countries that are already poorer than the US. He has strong opinions on economics, but doesn't understand it. His points about economics are partially true but either subtly incorrect or interpreted incorrectly.

It tells you a lot about hn that a political rant by a confused hacker can hit the front page, while actual reporting on what the government is doing is flagged to oblivion.

Success in one domain should not imply competence in another.

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by snowwrestler »

sph wrote: post #375
snowwrestler wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gold standard works until it doesn't. Then the only option is to bail from it. That's why no one is on it anymore. It's not a sufficiently flexible currency.

That's revisionist nonsense. The "issue" with gold standard is that you cannot compete with countries that can print money at will, which gives them the advantage NOW, even though they'll suffer massive inflation later down the line. How will you ever win a war when your enemy has infinite money? I guess people forgot what happened to Germany's economy after WWI. Your only hope is to be the one that wins the war, and…

Seems like maybe you forgot what happened to Germany’s economy after WWII, which they also lost?

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by ta20240528 »

Rhapso wrote: post #391
KaiserPro wrote: post #349

Going back to a gold standard will limit the money supply. This means that there will be less capital for building $thing. A gold standard means that when the economy gets overheated it pops, then contracts and you get deflation. This makes crashes last longer and harder. It requires greater fiscal discipline to overcome. The problem with the USA "empire" is that for a trading empire to work you need a plan, and stic…

If you are trying to pin a currency to a standard, gold isn't great. Its value is almost entirely speculative and it lacks meaninful intrinsic value at this point. If you demand to leave fiat currency, an aluminum or steel standard might make more sense. Rare earth metals, or even just petroleum would be my proposal. Maybe someday we will have a duterium pinned currency.

Its deflationary if you can consume your reserve currency.

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by dns_snek »

flyinglizard wrote: post #410
foven wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More to the point, when you write an article like this foretelling the doom of the american economy, why would you think you are able to brain drain any country? What stops the countries you are trying to drain from offering better incentives to stay?

At this point in time, US is the global leader in personal freedoms, culture and financial opportunities. These are the things people are looking to immigrate towards. Personal freedoms can't be manufactured. They are a product of the underlying system governing a country. The US has very strong institutions and legal framework in the form of the constitution (again, at this point in time; I expect the current admin…

The US is a global leader in personal freedom? According to whom?

Anecdotally I don't consider the US a particularly free country, nor do most people I know. Americans might have all these nice sounding rights on paper but they're all blatantly undermined in practice.

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by jsnider3 »

chazhaz wrote: post #436
rsanek wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

income inequality today is about the same as it was 100 years ago. https://ourworldindata.org/how-has-income-inequality-within-...

...and about twice what it was 50 years ago. How have Sweden, Japan, France, etc. managed to keep income inequality around postwar lows while America hasn't?

Americans voted to give rich people more money and those countries didn't.

Re: The Demoralization is just Beginning

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Post by dijit »

agentultra wrote: post #534
RivieraKid wrote: post #440

This started out interesting but then the red flags started to pop up. Going to jail in Europe for posting memes, gold standard, salivating over doing something that benefits the US and hurts countries that are already poorer than the US. He has strong opinions on economics, but doesn't understand it. His points about economics are partially true but either subtly incorrect or interpreted incorrectly.

I dunno if he’s far-right MAGA but these red flags are all far right talking points. No one who understands modern economics wants to bring back the gold standard. Seems like geohot should stick to jail breaking iPhones and mocking programmers and CTF challenges… and maybe read a few more books and attend some lectures if he wants to continue deepening his understanding of economics and political science.

I really hate this idea of "far-right talking points" and "far-left talking points".

It immediately frames questions as "us vs them", if there's a talking point you hear come up frequently and it's easily dissolved: learn how to dissolve it.

The fewer people walking around with incorrect ideas about things the better we all are.

If people rebuff you, maybe they had a point the whole time? If they change the subject or resort to ad hominems, then it's clear to everyone listening that the talking point was bogus. You might not change the persons mind, but it can help others.

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