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Microsoft is killing Skype
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Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#552Earlier quoted context omitted.
> microsoft > had no idea how to manage a B2C product What does this mean? MS has enough of b2c products. Windows is. Office is. Not enough?
> MS has enough of b2c products. Windows is. Office is. Not enough? You really think Windows (11, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's free. It has advertisements. It has a data mining AI. You are not the customer. Windows is a b2b product. You really think Office (365, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's "free". It has advertisements. It has data mining AI. You are not the customer.…
> You really think Windows (11, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's free.
Windows is not "free". Win 11 Home price is $120, upgrade to Pro is $100 [0].
0 - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=windows%2011%20home&ref=glow_cls
Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#553Earlier quoted context omitted.
Naw, having been there, Microsoft killed Skype because it had no idea how to manage a B2C product.
> microsoft > had no idea how to manage a B2C product What does this mean? MS has enough of b2c products. Windows is. Office is. Not enough?
Both of those are b2b as well (a spreadsheet accounting program, come on), and were born from b2b, remember this was before the personal compute era, they transitioned with the era.
Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#554Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally I think their big, incomprehensibly stupid manoeuver was the Skype vs Skype for Business (Link) split. Had they merged them into a single client that could speak either protocol and share contact lists the story would have been very different. Why are megacorps so incomprehensibly clueless about this? Is the money pit so deep that they knock each other in while in-fighting for control on the edge of it?
This is what happens when you hire leet code engineers and they become managers. Look at Google now. This isn't some magical outcome of big corps. A big corp is practically the people who work there.
There is a bit of irony in this comment since many of the original Skype engineers are now seniors managers at Google still working on communication (they left MS a long time ago).
Google has many issues but I don't think technical competence is one of them.
Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
> microsoft > had no idea how to manage a B2C product What does this mean? MS has enough of b2c products. Windows is. Office is. Not enough?
> MS has enough of b2c products. Windows is. Office is. Not enough? You really think Windows (11, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's free. It has advertisements. It has a data mining AI. You are not the customer. Windows is a b2b product. You really think Office (365, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's "free". It has advertisements. It has data mining AI. You are not the customer.…
"It has a data mining AI. You are not the customer."
You got most of the tokens right, but windows is a paid product, try that with meta or google products and you got it.
Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
> before Microsoft's corporate hug of death Abuse of the law to buy a competitor, form a monopoly, and then price fix an entire market. It sounds cute when you say "hug of death" almost like they didn't intentionally seek out this precise outcome. > It was also available literally everywhere Funny how that was literally the first thing to get the axe. I guess some "hugs" are like that, huh? > Rest in peace! Justice f…
but m$ doesn't have a monopoly on video/instant chat? teams is so objectively bad that anyone who was using skype will move on to a different company's product
In a personal setting? You may be right.
In a corporate setting? "We already have Microsoft accounts for all of our users, do you want us to maintain a separate user list? No way. Teams may be bad, but it's not bad enough to warrant that."
Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#557I will miss Skype. It has a special place in my memory.
Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#558Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally I think their big, incomprehensibly stupid manoeuver was the Skype vs Skype for Business (Link) split. Had they merged them into a single client that could speak either protocol and share contact lists the story would have been very different. Why are megacorps so incomprehensibly clueless about this? Is the money pit so deep that they knock each other in while in-fighting for control on the edge of it?
>Why are megacorps so incomprehensibly clueless about this? Management by committees. Lots of office politics. Most senior execs have successfully failed upwards. Once every 18 months they let go of people they stick the blame on thereby losing any memory of design decisions.
I feel like I'm currently experiencing failing upwards.
I had a kid recently and have been putting less into my work, mostly just pushing back on asks and delegating because I don't have time.
All of a sudden I have senior management potential haha.
Feels like I'm living in the movie office space
Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#559Earlier quoted context omitted.
> before Microsoft's corporate hug of death Abuse of the law to buy a competitor, form a monopoly, and then price fix an entire market. It sounds cute when you say "hug of death" almost like they didn't intentionally seek out this precise outcome. > It was also available literally everywhere Funny how that was literally the first thing to get the axe. I guess some "hugs" are like that, huh? > Rest in peace! Justice f…
but m$ doesn't have a monopoly on video/instant chat? teams is so objectively bad that anyone who was using skype will move on to a different company's product
I wish that were true. Every enterprise I've seen has thrown their hands up and said "we already use microsoft for everything else (generally email, ad, or office) and teams is bundled why would we use anything else". So instead of getting good chat and VoIP apps, the decision makers just stick with the cheapest option (Teams, they're already paying for it in one of their tens of other Microsoft subscriptions)
Re: Microsoft is killing Skype
#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
> MS has enough of b2c products. Windows is. Office is. Not enough? You really think Windows (11, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's free. It has advertisements. It has a data mining AI. You are not the customer. Windows is a b2b product. You really think Office (365, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's "free". It has advertisements. It has data mining AI. You are not the customer.…
> You really think Windows (11, since anything older is gone) is a b2c product? It's free. Windows is not "free". Win 11 Home price is $120, upgrade to Pro is $100 [0]. 0 - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=windows%2011%20home&ref=glow_cls
"Free" for OEMs, or as long as you're already in the system. Outside of enthusiasts, those are the two groups who matter here (not that I'm happy w/ that situation, not at all).