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Theres grok.com which is standalone and with its own UI
There's also a standalone Grok app at least on iOS.
I wish they did also dedicated keyboard app like SwiftKey that has copilot integration
GPT-4.5
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For the sake of perspective: there are about ten times more paying OpenAI subscribers today than VisiCalc licenses ever sold.
Is that because anyone is finding real use for it, or is it that more and more people and companies are using it which is speeding up the rat race, and if "I" don't use it, then can't keep up with the rat race. Many companies are implementing it because it's trendy and cool and helps their valuation
I use LMMs all the time. At a bare minimum they vastly outperform standard web search. Claude is awesome at helping me think through complex text and research problems. Not even serious errors on references to major work in medical research. I still check but FDR is reasonably low—-under 0.2.
Re: GPT-4.5
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> * OpenAI seems to be betting that you'll need an ensemble of models with different capabilities, working as a single system, to jump beyond what the reasoning models today can do. Seems inaccurate as their most recent claim I've seen is that they expect this to be their last non-reasoning model, and are aiming to provide all capacities together in the future model releases (unifying the GPT-x and o-x lines) See thi…
From Sam's twitter: > After that, a top goal for us is to unify o-series models and GPT-series models by creating systems that can use all our tools, know when to think for a long time or not, and generally be useful for a very wide range of tasks. > In both ChatGPT and our API, we will release GPT-5 as a system that integrates a lot of our technology, including o3. We will no longer ship o3 as a standalone model. Yo…
> know when to think for a long time or not, and generally be useful for a very wide range of tasks.
I'm going to call it now - no customer is actually going to use this. It'll be a cute little bonus for their chatbot god-oracle, but virtually all of their b2b clients are going to demand "minimum latency at all times" or "maximum accuracy at all times."
Re: GPT-4.5
#554Cathartic moment over.
doesn't feel like to me. I try using copilot on my scala projects and it always comes up with something useless that doesn't even compile.
I am currently just using it as easy google search.
Re: GPT-4.5
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GPT 5 is likely just going to be a router model that decides whether to send the prompt to 4o, 4o mini, 4.5, o3, or o3 mini.
My guess is that you're right about that being what's next (or maybe almost next) from them, but I think they'll save the name GPT-5 for the next actually-trained model (like 4.5 but a bigger jump), and use a different kind of name for the routing model. Even by their poor standards at naming it would be weird to introduce a completely new type/concept, that can loop in models including the 4 / 4.5 series, while nami…
They already confirmed GPT-5 will be a unified model "months" away. Elsewhere they claimed that it will not just be a router but a "unified" model.
https://www.theverge.com/news/611365/openai-gpt-4-5-roadmap-...
Re: GPT-4.5
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I noticed this change from 3.5 to 3.7 Sunday night before I learned about the upgrade Monday morning reading HN. I noticed a style difference in a long philosophical (Socratic-style) discussion with Claude. A noticeable upgrade that brought it up to my standards of a mild free-form rant. Claude unchained! And it did not push as usual with a pro-forma boring continuation question at the end. It just stopped leaving me…
That's a really thoughtful point! Which aspect is most interesting to you?
Oh god, barf. Well done lol
Re: GPT-4.5
#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If you can figure something out, we need you to help us." Where is this quote from?
The quotation marks in the grandparent comment are scare (sneer) quotes and not actual quotation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes > Whether quotation marks are considered scare quotes depends on context because scare quotes are not visually different from actual quotations.
As in “reading between the lines”.
Re: GPT-4.5
#558Cathartic moment over.
Breath it in, get a coffee, and sit down to solve some bigger problems.
3.7 really is astounding with the one-shots.
Re: GPT-4.5
#559GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…
The price really is eye watering. At a glance, my first impression is this is something like Llama 3.1 405B, where the primary value may be realized in generating high quality synthetic data for training rather than direct use. I keep a little google spreadsheet with some charts to help visualize the landscape at a glance in terms of capability/price/throughput, bringing in the various index scores as they become ava…
Wow, what awesome information! Thanks for sharing!
Re: GPT-4.5
#560Enjoy your expensive garbage