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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by _heimdall »

tartoran wrote: post #547
_heimdall wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how LLMs/AI couldn't consolidate power. By design, it will move power from the individual to those running the AI systems.

I'm not sure people will just take it though. In the short term it looks like the situation is on a horrible course but eventually people will have had enough. I'm hoping it would take less time for that to happen and the damage will not be too great. Let's remember that we could use the same technology if not a better one to fight against all this.

When a potential power imbalance is created, those willing to use it for selfish means will almost always win in the end.

Anyone with morals driving their use of a new tech will be limited, and unless those people massively outnumber the few selfish ones they will lose eventually.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by tartoran »

finnthehuman wrote: post #544
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

> it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power I can empathize, but I can't feel indignant about it. Not any more. For years and years I've watched people warn about the centralization of power by tech companies. They were shut down left and right. I'm not accusing you of being one doing the shutting down. I'm just annoyed that Elon is what it takes for people to start realizing the people arguing…

All it takes is some big fcukups and a political shift for these to be broken down to smithereens.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by mwigdahl »

wobfan wrote: post #255
tkgally wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sister comments contain quite a few specific examples. But the many back-and-forth arguments here on HN about whether LLMs are useful for coding suggest that understanding how they might or might not be used may be the biggest challenge at this point. I myself use them a lot, though I constantly feel that I would be able to get more out of them if only I were smarter.

I feel that I would be smarter if I wouldn’t use them constantly.

You could quit using high level language compilers also, jump back to pure assembly, and get smarter still!

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by nickthegreek »

srid wrote: post #546
numpad0 wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that OpenAI subscription is $200 per month, and "Premium Plus" subscription that includes this thing is only $40 per month, does that mean instantaneous "Elon factor" is now at least -$160 per month per user, or is it supposed to be added up to more than -$240 per month? How would the math change after factoring in that OpenAI isn't even covering entirety of opex with the sub anyway, and/or people finding…

Where do you see that Premium+ is $40 per month? The official source says "Starts at $22/month or $229/year on web", https://help.x.com/en/using-x/x-premium This is pretty much what I paid a couple of months ago, as a Canadian.

They just announced a price increased today. The link you posted has this info in a blue box at the top.

Also visible here: https://help.x.com/en/using-x/x-premium#tbpricing-bycountry

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

srid wrote: post #546
numpad0 wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that OpenAI subscription is $200 per month, and "Premium Plus" subscription that includes this thing is only $40 per month, does that mean instantaneous "Elon factor" is now at least -$160 per month per user, or is it supposed to be added up to more than -$240 per month? How would the math change after factoring in that OpenAI isn't even covering entirety of opex with the sub anyway, and/or people finding…

Where do you see that Premium+ is $40 per month? The official source says "Starts at $22/month or $229/year on web", https://help.x.com/en/using-x/x-premium This is pretty much what I paid a couple of months ago, as a Canadian.

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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by randomcarbloke »

finnthehuman wrote: post #544
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

> it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power I can empathize, but I can't feel indignant about it. Not any more. For years and years I've watched people warn about the centralization of power by tech companies. They were shut down left and right. I'm not accusing you of being one doing the shutting down. I'm just annoyed that Elon is what it takes for people to start realizing the people arguing…

I just wish it was someone technical or otherwise genuinely intelligent that did this.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by ahoog42 »

linguistbreaker wrote: post #466
phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

Start from here : Stop using Google search and use an AI. No more irrelevant results, no more ads. No more slop to wade through. BTW I find Claude is great at making graphs and diagrams. If you pay ($20) you can hook it up to a local code base.

Any example code or blogs/docs that demonstrate making graphs/diagrams and/or hooking it up to a local code base?

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by wyclif »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #524

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That's because here and on Reddit, there is a strong element of EDS (Elon Derangement Syndrome), which is characterized by not being able to discuss anything SpaceX, Tesla, X, The Boring Company, &c. do without completely politicizing it and completely avoiding talking about its technical or engineering merits.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by smeeger »

zurfer wrote: post #94
nomilk wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was mentioned during the launch that current datacenter requires up to 0.25 gigawatts of power. The datacenter they're currently building will require 1.25 (5x) (for reference, a nuclear powerplant might output about 1 gigawatt). Will be interesting to see if the relationship between power/compute/parameters and performance is exponential, logarithmic or something more linear.

It's logarithmic. Meaning you scale compute exponentially to get linearly better models. However there is a big premium in having the best model because of low switching costs of workloads, creating all sorts of interesting threshold effects.

this is like a caveman dismissing technology because he wasnt impressed with the wheel. its like buddy, the wheel is just the start

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by cpursley »

angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

> How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes

Hopefully sooner than later. I trust this more than the literal scammers and thieves who were previously running things.

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